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I will have to ask for a quote for both BDO and GW2
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Inspiration
Aren't we all sinners?
@l3v3rag3 should be able to corroborate that.
It's great... If it changes all those things?
I never got into BDO so I don't really know
Mmmnn hmmmn.
People are missing what is being talked about and purposely. Its like you have a whole cake and the icing is amazing but the sponge part is very dry and not good. Rather then listening to what people are saying they just say its all bad looking at the cake as a whole rather then the part people are talking about.
If it matters to you, it isn't really about that exactly, though it does give that feeling if you play certain classes. BDO is a difficult thing to understand if you haven't approached it in a certain way.
So whereas Dygz might see them as very different, I, who have played BDO for a while, see BDO and Ashes combat as potentially being very similar. I'm really excited to see what Intrepid does with it as a result. I hope that Dygz also feels the same once it's done.
But if that happens, it'll probably be because 'Ashes will do the same thing as BDO but in a form Dygz can understand', rather than 'Ashes does something different than BDO does'.
So... it will be because Ashes combat is different and is designed as an RPG, rather than a Hack & Slash.
This would be true if BDO was just a Hack and Slash game, yes.
Or if there were no 'Hack and Slash' characters in RPGs that might play like BDO characters.
Or if every BDO character was 'flashy and overdone' and not just some.
Or if BDO's few PvE content didn't feel exactly like what Ashes felt like and hadn't moved more toward what BDO feels like rather than away from it.
Or if Ashes didn't have the same tricks as BDO for melee combat baked into the system since Alpha-1 and apparently doubled down on in the new Combat Update.
I really hope you don't end up disappointed... but I at least trust that you will test it properly once we have it and not just 'look at it and decide you don't like it because it looks similar'.
Brains do a good job of keeping up their confirmation biases though, so I'm sure you'll be fine.
If you understand please show me exactly what I am talking about with gameplay.
Do I need to make a whole BDO Combat Primer post explaining the combat just so we don't keep going back and forth about this? Cause you know me, I'm both arrogant and experienced enough to do so, if it will prevent all this 'discussion'.
Should I try it for it's combat?
From the videos I've seen it looks so jumpy and flashy with over the top effects... I looked like it would just get tiresome to look at after a while.
I can't say whether or not you should try it. There is no need to, really, since Ashes is proceeding as it is.
It's quite tiresome to look at, yes.
The only reason I would advise picking up BDO at all ever is if you wanted to increase your understanding of certain things in game design. I cannot recommend the game to anyone whose purpose is to actually enjoy a game.
You can make a trial character and duel people but I wouldn't say its worth playing just for that. You also would have to put in a decent amount of time to understand the combat system, but then you would understand what we are talking about with BDO combat.
Its not that flashy as you turn down the effects and they aren't nearly as noticeable (people don't really play in remastered). Flashy and jumpy isn't what we are talking about with the flow and feel of combat though. Its about when you use a move and how thing can flow together like they are the same action. If you look at other mmos I think tera might have had something similar where you use a move then it gives you access to use another move and they go together well. Where as BDO there is a mix of set skills that you can use but also options for other skills that mix well together over being forced to use the same one. Which allows you to use more skills and play a bit more organically then something that is as cookie cutter or doesn't have flow between attacks.
You can definitely tell whether the combat feels right or not without spending too much time on it. I don't expect that everyone can do this, but I read every skill on someone's character in BDO that seemed to fit the kind of playstyle I like, and within like 15 minutes I was able to play fairly effectively.
People decide on whether a fighting game's combat feels right for them within a couple hours, what makes something like BDO different?
BDO has a high learning curve and you won't get a sense of it until you have put a lot of time into the game. The mechanics are different as well as class to class and knowing how moves work and such. To be decent and for ti not to be clunky it takes more time for the average player. Also when you are starting he game not leveled without all your skills you can't even play it properly until you are a high level with your awakening.
That being said if the learning curve wasn't as high anyone could pick it up and play with it fine but this is just a case with BDO because of its more complex combat mechanics.
It doesn't feel clunky.
It's great for BDO... hack & slash.
It's not good for an MMORPG.
Rae please just make that post. I'd rather see a wall of text that presents actual data with some aim at being educational than see these two arguing by passing vague misinformation between each other. It's not helping them OR other readers.
Decent and being good at pvp are two vastly different things. If i played bdo and only killed mobs I wouldn't ever view myself as decent as you don't need much knowledge to tthrow some aoes around on them.
I don't view people picking up bdo and being able to be good at it over a weekend when they have never played it before. When I'm in the battle arena I'm int here for hours and and same with some of my other guiildies testing new moves and trickers they have learned.
This is getting kind of far from the original comment though, BDO isn't mindless hack and slash combat, again anyone who played pvp would know that. Like any mmorpg you have your skill rotations you do just in bdo you have to adapt to a lot more do to the speed of the combat. If you have only done pve you can say its mindless hack and slash and not something that pushes you to be well enough with all the mechanics of that combat.
It's certainly a difference of perspective.
In a hack-and-slash style of game you spend most of the time just killing wave after wave of creatures. They are strongly emphasize combat over anything else. Hack-and-slash style games are usually also considered action games.
B:
Black Desert Online
https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/pc-games-published-by-kakao-games-europe-b-v
Black Desert Online:
RPG Fantasy Character Customization Female Protagonist Violent MMORPG Hack and Slash Fishing PvE Action Massively Multiplayer Simulation Strategy PvP Sandbox Co-op Adventure Third Person Multiplayer Open World
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=7327&_opinionNo=42352
(BDO is by far not a Sandbox MMO neither is ESO. BDO also isn't a Themepark MMO. BDO is a hack n slash MMO with open world elements.)
https://cheapdigitaldownload.com/15-best-hack-and-slash-games-compare-prices-e-2020/
5: BDO
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/BlackDesertOnline
Black Desert Online provides examples of:
Hack and Slash: The combat system. PvE gameplay generally consists of taking on dozens of enemies at once and obliterating them with flashy, elaborate combos. Think Dynasty Warriors with a more complex moveset.
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/5zbo82/thesis_bdos_pve_is_hack_n_slash_not_action/
(General consensus seems to be that BDO is an Action oriented game (separated from tab targeting), belonging to a sub genre that can be defined to hack n' slash.)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/582660/discussions/0/1456202492174582639/
(What's the combat like?
Is it action/hack n slash style combat such as in games like Devil may cry or is it click and wait combat like in WOW (I call it click and wait i have no idea what it's usually called)?
If it's hack n slash i'll probably get this game today.)
(I'd say it's more similar to Devil May Cry, it's very active and nothing like WoW. I hear a lot of people compare it to Mortal Kombat, but i've never played so I can't say for sure.)
Dygz: 3D Mortal Kombat is exactly what I said before ever seeing the quote above.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DevilMayCry/comments/jnytv3/dmc_is_the_greatest_hack_n_slash_of_all_time_what/
(Idk about y'all, but I can't think of a single game in the hack n slash genre. That comes even close to DMC and all its glory.)
https://www.thegamer.com/black-desert-online-mistakes-tips/
(Hack and slash enthusiasts and fighting game fans will take comfort here. BDO isn't about committing rotations to memory or watching cooldowns tick (although those are still somewhat important), it's about combos executed in real-time.)
https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/453625/hack-and-slash-all-of-them
(It seems hack and slash combat took front row in all mmos, no exceptions !
I knew this, but yesterday I had a revelation of how deep easy combat has become when someone posted a combat video of Black Desert Online. I'm like holy cow !.......Is this the new standard ?.....Mowing every creature in your path is now the fun thing to do ?)
(Black Desert Online LIVE! Sorceress hack n slash run!
Playing Black Desert Online, an MMORPG hack n slash)
(#bdo #hacknslash #meilleur
Black Desert Online, le meilleur hack'n'slash ? BDO the best Hack n Slash)
I continue to tell you that is not how PvP works and its very mechanically heavy. If this is the sample you are bringing with you understand what im talking about with the game you simply don't know what im talking about, this post showing me that clearly. You continue to ignore what is actually being said because you dislike pve content when that honestly has nothing to do with the combat as it doesn't require you to have a deep understanding of it.
Anyone can type in some keyword on the internet and have people explain things in a way they want to hear. Challenging content isn't pve if you only talk about pve with BDO you are not playing the game. Like you went out of your way to search for a few post with hardly any comments, video with no views in another language or journalist that don't even play the game really...Where are the creditable post calling it a hack and slash game at the very least.
If you don't understand combat in relation to pvp there is nothing wrong with that but it also means you won't know the depth of the combat or understand what I'm talking about. So you shouldn't have a point saying its a hack and slash game with no rpg elements to it. I don't see customization on character build even on BDO'S level hack and slash games, or even the amount of skills you have. You don't know BDO, what even was your gear score....
https://grumpygreen.cricket/bdo-combat/
I don't care how PvP works in BDO, so you certainly aren't going to sway me by discussing PvP.
I don't play MMORPGs for the PvP.
I care about how the combat impacts RP and PvE.
What you care about is fine and makes sense why you wouldn't enjoy a mmorpg where the only real content is actually the pvp as that is also how it was sold. But you can not say it is a hack and slash when you aren't doing the real content in the game which is pvp. PvE was never actual content in BDO it was just something you did for grinding, there is no difficulty in it.
So you can't say BDO combat is trash if you didn't do the actual content in the game that uses the combat system being PvP. If you are saying PvE is trash id agree with you, and id agree it doesn't use the full of the combat system in any kind of advanced way. But if you are here to say combat is trash and won't pvp that is my issue, you only can see the actual true depth of the combat from pvp.
Quite the opposite.
You are the one who does not pay attention to what others have said - and who cannot accurately reflect back an opposing argument.
...... If something is button mashing and face rolling that is bad.