Are some of you drama queens actually pretending there will be an army of ships waiting exclusively to kill you in the open sea?
I swear, some of you are borderline psychotic. The sea is massive. Literally grab a sea mount, go underwater if you see anybody and take a turn. Boom, you're safe. You're more likely to never see anyone, unless you're slow enough to try to cross the sea right next to the major nodes... in which case, I DO hope you get ganked in the middle of the sea. Repeatedly.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
Are some of you drama queens actually pretending there will be an army of ships waiting exclusively to kill you in the open sea?
I swear, some of you are borderline psychotic. The sea is massive. Literally grab a sea mount, go underwater if you see anybody and take a turn. Boom, you're safe. You're more likely to never see anyone, unless you're slow enough to try to cross the sea right next to the major nodes... in which case, I DO hope you get ganked in the middle of the sea. Repeatedly.
I hope riding around on a water mount is quite dangerous and makes you live bait for that goliath fish monster boss.
My point being it's a bad idea to give water mounts too much freedom otherwise boats will be less relevant.
There are a couple things to keep in mind with this change:
Pirates will have to contend with other pirates, no corruption means everyone is in danger, including criminals.
Trade ships will be some of the most lucrative things in the game, for both traders and pirates.
Escort fleets will be in high demand. Guilds filling that role would likely find themselves in charge of a major port node in fairly short order.
Depending on where the harbors are located, there could be quite a few relatively safe routes to and from the various islands.
Obviously, we'll have to wait till we actually play it to know how it works, but other games have tried PvP zones like this and it's worked pretty well. Not a PvPer myself, but I do enjoy taking risks for greater rewards.
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HartwellMember, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One
There are a couple things to keep in mind with this change:
Pirates will have to contend with other pirates, no corruption means everyone is in danger, including criminals.
Trade ships will be some of the most lucrative things in the game, for both traders and pirates.
Escort fleets will be in high demand. Guilds filling that role would likely find themselves in charge of a major port node in fairly short order.
Depending on where the harbors are located, there could be quite a few relatively safe routes to and from the various islands.
Obviously, we'll have to wait till we actually play it to know how it works, but other games have tried PvP zones like this and it's worked pretty well. Not a PvPer myself, but I do enjoy taking risks for greater rewards.
It might also be worth bringing up quest driven caravans, too. Unorganized players tend have at things alone, but if a caravan were to be announced ahead of time, it might result in a large gathering of people with shared interests. A galleon of randomly assembled individuals signed up to defend a caravan could kill anyone not assigned as a defender on sight. It would alleviate the issue of not knowing who is friend or foe.
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Ah yes, another casual crying because they aren't good enough to play the game and just want to be hand-held Don't play the game then kiddo, stop crying on the forums and having your alt accounts like your posts lol its very pathetic
LMAO
Who is crying?? I'm not even complaining. I simply shared that it's a dealbreaker for me.
Ah yes, another casual crying because they aren't good enough to play the game and just want to be hand-held Don't play the game then kiddo, stop crying on the forums and having your alt accounts like your posts lol its very pathetic
LMAO
Who is crying?? I'm not even complaining. I simply shared that it's a dealbreaker for me.
If there were alternative paths that provided lower risk, but lower reward, would you feel differently about the open sea as a high risk path? Steven is all about that risk and reward. I kind of wish he went into the low risk options vs. the high risk options for traversing the world in this new system.
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
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Haha!
I think I am a carebear casual.
I'm casual challenge/hardcore time.
It's OK for me not to play MMORPGs that are too PvP-centeric or hardcore challenge for my playstyle.
And, whether I actually play Ashes has always been contingent upon whether Corruption is a sufficient deterrent to unwanted PvP combat. I just found out today instead of during Alpha 2.
That's all fine.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Haha!
I think I am a carebear casual.
I'm casual challenge/hardcore time.
It's OK for me not to play MMORPGs that are too PvP-centeric or hardcore challenge for my playstyle.
And, whether I actually play Ashes has always been contingent upon whether Corruption is a sufficient deterrent to unwanted PvP combat. I just found out today instead of during Alpha 2.
That's all fine.
I’m sure you won’t, but I wouldn’t give up that easily. A lot of people think they are super hardcore PvPers until the actual elite players come in and wipe the floor with them. I’m sure within a couple months of alpha 2 launching people will be begging them to change it, and at that point it’s just a matter of whether or not Intrepid concedes. It’s not like this is a core design pillar. The system has room for tweaking or they could completely backpedal. Time will tell.
Haha!
I think I am a carebear casual.
I'm casual challenge/hardcore time.
It's OK for me not to play MMORPGs that are too PvP-centeric or hardcore challenge for my playstyle.
And, whether I actually play Ashes has always been contingent upon whether Corruption is a sufficient deterrent to unwanted PvP combat. I just found out today instead of during Alpha 2.
That's all fine.
In any case, despite our differing outlooks, I am not going to sit here and "haha I told ya so". If you do maintain an interest in alpha 2 and decide to play beyond it, I would be happy to practice some PVP with you (to see if you may enjoy it, who knows right?) Believe it or not I don't want you gone! And who knows, the Open Ocean may not be included in the short distances between islands and continents. You could very well have a sort of "land bridge" with the island in the center of the continents
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Very well. Free country, you can do what you want. Dygz is a grown man, doesn't need me sticking up for him. Not trying to say what you said is horrible or anything, it's not. I just believe in being nice.
Trust me I feel some of the same rage you do at the state of gaming. I just try to control it. But this is a forum and the purpose of it is vigorous debate, so have it.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
They're usually the only thing keeping the hardcore side of a game alive and thriving because the casuals that don't want open world PvP wouldn't be in them, they're usually off on their own or not playing the game because it doesn't suite them like 90% of gamers. Reason why i don't play Tarkov just to complain about Evacing or something else, i just don't play the game.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
They're usually the only thing keeping the hardcore side of a game alive and thriving because the casuals that don't want open world PvP wouldn't be in them, they're usually off on their own or not playing the game because it doesn't suite them like 90% of gamers. Reason why i don't play Tarkov just to complain about Evacing or something else, i just don't play the game.
From my experience non-mega guild players avoid mega guild servers like the plague, even hopping servers and inevitably causing those mega guilds to hop servers due to not having anyone to compete with, causing a disruption on the entire new server to the point where it tends to make it crash and burn. But I have only seen that happen like 6 or 7 times.
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Um. How does my choice not to play ruin the game?
Somehow, my instincts tell me that losing you is a bad sign.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
They're usually the only thing keeping the hardcore side of a game alive and thriving because the casuals that don't want open world PvP wouldn't be in them, they're usually off on their own or not playing the game because it doesn't suite them like 90% of gamers. Reason why i don't play Tarkov just to complain about Evacing or something else, i just don't play the game.
From my experience non-mega guild players avoid mega guild servers like the plague, even hopping servers and inevitably causing those mega guilds to hop servers due to not having anyone to compete with, causing a disruption on the entire new server to the point where it tends to make it crash and burn. But I have only seen that happen like 6 or 7 times.
Seeing as the majority of the mega guilds for Ashes don't have people that are going to leave a server because they're getting steamrolled I dont see that happening, nor have i ever seen it happen in any other game i've played.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
They're usually the only thing keeping the hardcore side of a game alive and thriving because the casuals that don't want open world PvP wouldn't be in them, they're usually off on their own or not playing the game because it doesn't suite them like 90% of gamers. Reason why i don't play Tarkov just to complain about Evacing or something else, i just don't play the game.
From my experience non-mega guild players avoid mega guild servers like the plague, even hopping servers and inevitably causing those mega guilds to hop servers due to not having anyone to compete with, causing a disruption on the entire new server to the point where it tends to make it crash and burn. But I have only seen that happen like 6 or 7 times.
Seeing as the majority of the mega guilds for Ashes don't have people that are going to leave a server because they're getting steamrolled I dont see that happening, nor have i ever seen it happen in any other game i've played.
Well thats a relief, hopefully they all stay on the head start servers.
I expected Ashes open seas to be perma flag zones, due to Steven's Archeage inspirations, and i love that this expectation was met with success, i definitely feel positive about it and my hopes for the game increased even further.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Um. How does my decision to not play ruin the game?
Its not going to ruin the game, literally no one is going to miss you bro :yawn: You complaining about a game you aren't going to play in its forums isn't either, but people like you do decide to complain about a game solely because THEY don't like it and want its basics changed are the scum of MMOs and why Intrepid has said time and time again, Ashes of Creation will not be for everyone.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
They're usually the only thing keeping the hardcore side of a game alive and thriving because the casuals that don't want open world PvP wouldn't be in them, they're usually off on their own or not playing the game because it doesn't suite them like 90% of gamers. Reason why i don't play Tarkov just to complain about Evacing or something else, i just don't play the game.
From my experience non-mega guild players avoid mega guild servers like the plague, even hopping servers and inevitably causing those mega guilds to hop servers due to not having anyone to compete with, causing a disruption on the entire new server to the point where it tends to make it crash and burn. But I have only seen that happen like 6 or 7 times.
Seeing as the majority of the mega guilds for Ashes don't have people that are going to leave a server because they're getting steamrolled I dont see that happening, nor have i ever seen it happen in any other game i've played.
Well thats a relief, hopefully they all stay on the head start servers.
Most of us won't be on the head start servers either, but it won't matter to the rest of yall where we go either so
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
They're usually the only thing keeping the hardcore side of a game alive and thriving because the casuals that don't want open world PvP wouldn't be in them, they're usually off on their own or not playing the game because it doesn't suite them like 90% of gamers. Reason why i don't play Tarkov just to complain about Evacing or something else, i just don't play the game.
From my experience non-mega guild players avoid mega guild servers like the plague, even hopping servers and inevitably causing those mega guilds to hop servers due to not having anyone to compete with, causing a disruption on the entire new server to the point where it tends to make it crash and burn. But I have only seen that happen like 6 or 7 times.
Seeing as the majority of the mega guilds for Ashes don't have people that are going to leave a server because they're getting steamrolled I dont see that happening, nor have i ever seen it happen in any other game i've played.
Well thats a relief, hopefully they all stay on the head start servers.
Most of us won't be on the head start servers either, but it won't matter to the rest of yall where we go either so
Most of you? Wouldn't the rest of you join the head starter servers once able? Be sure to post up your server ASAP either way! Definitely avoiding the mega guild servers.
I digress though, I really hope to see what ship vs ship combat entails in ashes. Mainly large scale performance, because massive battles in a castle is one thing, but bring ships and water physics into it and that can be a whole other animal
No. That's not what a Battlegrounds is for Ashes.
Ashes Battlegrounds are Caravans and Sieges; not zones. Rather... that's what they were before today.
Also, you opt-in/sign up to flag as Combatant for those.
We now have all Naval content as Battlegorunds.
Think you could be overreacting here a little bit. We don’t know how easy or difficult it will be to simply run away from or avoid enemy ships without being boarded.
The one thing I will say in your defense is that I always understood corruption to a be a lore thing, a sort of punishment from the gods. Auto flagging in the oceans goes directly against this.
Naw, Based Ocean Goddess don't give a damn and is all for the blood bath.
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Its not going to ruin the game, literally no one is going to miss you bro :yawn: You complaining about a game you aren't going to play in its forums isn't either, but people like you do decide to complain about a game solely because THEY don't like it and want its basics changed are the scum of MMOs and why Intrepid has said time and time again, Ashes of Creation will not be for everyone.
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I swear, some of you are borderline psychotic. The sea is massive. Literally grab a sea mount, go underwater if you see anybody and take a turn. Boom, you're safe. You're more likely to never see anyone, unless you're slow enough to try to cross the sea right next to the major nodes... in which case, I DO hope you get ganked in the middle of the sea. Repeatedly.
I agree about casuals and hand holding. They are truly part of what is destroying modern day games. I swear to god it's so hard for me to find a game anymore that's not just a mindless clicking simulator.
But be nice. Dygz is a homie.
I hope riding around on a water mount is quite dangerous and makes you live bait for that goliath fish monster boss.
My point being it's a bad idea to give water mounts too much freedom otherwise boats will be less relevant.
- Pirates will have to contend with other pirates, no corruption means everyone is in danger, including criminals.
- Trade ships will be some of the most lucrative things in the game, for both traders and pirates.
- Escort fleets will be in high demand. Guilds filling that role would likely find themselves in charge of a major port node in fairly short order.
- Depending on where the harbors are located, there could be quite a few relatively safe routes to and from the various islands.
Obviously, we'll have to wait till we actually play it to know how it works, but other games have tried PvP zones like this and it's worked pretty well. Not a PvPer myself, but I do enjoy taking risks for greater rewards.It might also be worth bringing up quest driven caravans, too. Unorganized players tend have at things alone, but if a caravan were to be announced ahead of time, it might result in a large gathering of people with shared interests. A galleon of randomly assembled individuals signed up to defend a caravan could kill anyone not assigned as a defender on sight. It would alleviate the issue of not knowing who is friend or foe.
Who is crying?? I'm not even complaining. I simply shared that it's a dealbreaker for me.
Dygz is about as far from being a care bear casual as is possible!
Why don't you click on your name (to see your likes, awards, posts and the like) and then click on his and make a quick comparison.
So likes on a forum makes him not a casual? xD Sure thing buddy
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If there were alternative paths that provided lower risk, but lower reward, would you feel differently about the open sea as a high risk path? Steven is all about that risk and reward. I kind of wish he went into the low risk options vs. the high risk options for traversing the world in this new system.
I think I am a carebear casual.
I'm casual challenge/hardcore time.
It's OK for me not to play MMORPGs that are too PvP-centeric or hardcore challenge for my playstyle.
And, whether I actually play Ashes has always been contingent upon whether Corruption is a sufficient deterrent to unwanted PvP combat. I just found out today instead of during Alpha 2.
That's all fine.
I don't pander nor do i conform to casuals that want to ruin games because they can't handle just not playing it. Dygz is one of those homies and i don't support it at all because its what has ruined almost every single MMORPG currently out, its just mindless casuals like you said.
**Check out my Twitch!**
I’m sure you won’t, but I wouldn’t give up that easily. A lot of people think they are super hardcore PvPers until the actual elite players come in and wipe the floor with them. I’m sure within a couple months of alpha 2 launching people will be begging them to change it, and at that point it’s just a matter of whether or not Intrepid concedes. It’s not like this is a core design pillar. The system has room for tweaking or they could completely backpedal. Time will tell.
In any case, despite our differing outlooks, I am not going to sit here and "haha I told ya so". If you do maintain an interest in alpha 2 and decide to play beyond it, I would be happy to practice some PVP with you (to see if you may enjoy it, who knows right?) Believe it or not I don't want you gone! And who knows, the Open Ocean may not be included in the short distances between islands and continents. You could very well have a sort of "land bridge" with the island in the center of the continents
Very well. Free country, you can do what you want. Dygz is a grown man, doesn't need me sticking up for him. Not trying to say what you said is horrible or anything, it's not. I just believe in being nice.
Trust me I feel some of the same rage you do at the state of gaming. I just try to control it. But this is a forum and the purpose of it is vigorous debate, so have it.
Isn't Enveus one of the Mega Guilds interested in Ashes? Could be wrong, but if they are, I don't ever recall those being healthy for MMO Game Communities.
They're usually the only thing keeping the hardcore side of a game alive and thriving because the casuals that don't want open world PvP wouldn't be in them, they're usually off on their own or not playing the game because it doesn't suite them like 90% of gamers. Reason why i don't play Tarkov just to complain about Evacing or something else, i just don't play the game.
**Check out my Twitch!**
From my experience non-mega guild players avoid mega guild servers like the plague, even hopping servers and inevitably causing those mega guilds to hop servers due to not having anyone to compete with, causing a disruption on the entire new server to the point where it tends to make it crash and burn. But I have only seen that happen like 6 or 7 times.
Somehow, my instincts tell me that losing you is a bad sign.
I'll hope they're wrong.
Seeing as the majority of the mega guilds for Ashes don't have people that are going to leave a server because they're getting steamrolled I dont see that happening, nor have i ever seen it happen in any other game i've played.
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Well thats a relief, hopefully they all stay on the head start servers.
Aren't we all sinners?
Its not going to ruin the game, literally no one is going to miss you bro :yawn: You complaining about a game you aren't going to play in its forums isn't either, but people like you do decide to complain about a game solely because THEY don't like it and want its basics changed are the scum of MMOs and why Intrepid has said time and time again, Ashes of Creation will not be for everyone.
**Check out my Twitch!**
Most of us won't be on the head start servers either, but it won't matter to the rest of yall where we go either so
**Check out my Twitch!**
Most of you? Wouldn't the rest of you join the head starter servers once able? Be sure to post up your server ASAP either way! Definitely avoiding the mega guild servers.
Naw, Based Ocean Goddess don't give a damn and is all for the blood bath.