Ground Targeted AOEs are not skillshots.

You don't shoot Divine Flare, you place it on the ground.

Skills shots, require that you shoot them.

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Solvryn wrote: »

You don't shoot Divine Flare, you place it on the ground.

Skills shots, require that you shoot them.

Kind of feel like we are getting a little particular here.

I don't mind them but I prefer autocast features on AoE target skills. Demon hunter in WoW does it decently. Either way I just kind of find them a pain in the ass. Doesn't feel good for me.

Dolyem

Solvryn wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

An example of an AoE skillshot in its most basic form I can remember is timing and placing a blizzard as a mage immediately against a rogue that just vanished in WoW.

Placing and Aiming are not the same.

You point, you click. It's the same thing. I think your real argument is types of skill shots which could be by how they are delivered

Veeshan

i do hope we get some more line type attacks or cones kinda like how u see in moba's aoe circles are fine but would like to see more variety in skill shots (yes circles are skill shots to a degree but some line attacks would be nice to see.

Sunboy

Can we not just agree that it’s on a spectrum and not black and white.

Much love ❤️

Solvryn

Dolyem wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

An example of an AoE skillshot in its most basic form I can remember is timing and placing a blizzard as a mage immediately against a rogue that just vanished in WoW.

Placing and Aiming are not the same.

You point, you click. It's the same thing. I think your real argument is types of skill shots which could be by how they are delivered

They're not the same the same thing.

Solvryn

Fiddlez wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

You don't shoot Divine Flare, you place it on the ground.

Skills shots, require that you shoot them.

Kind of feel like we are getting a little particular here.

I don't mind them but I prefer autocast features on AoE target skills. Demon hunter in WoW does it decently. Either way I just kind of find them a pain in the ass. Doesn't feel good for me.

I prefer we just not mislabel things.

Especially when there are many other games for juxtaposition.

Korela

I do not like sight-focused aim mechanics. This is the main reason I do not play FPS games a lot. "Ground" skills are fine compromise for me because it requires to place it in 2D and do not gives me 3D-aim-related sickness.

Solvryn

Korela wrote: »

I do not like sight-focused aim mechanics. This is the main reason I do not play FPS games a lot. "Ground" skills are fine compromise for me because it requires to place it in 2D and do not gives me 3D-aim-related sickness.

I just don't like labeling an apple, a cherry.

If I go to eat an apple pie and I get cherry pie, I'm going to spit it out. I love cherries, but I dislike cherry pie.

If we're going to get a hybrid. I expect it to have half the elements of action combat, half the elements of tab.

I rather have a high skill ceiling game and the flower pickers pick the flowers.

Sylvanar

If it is an active spell i.e. just clicking the icon doesn't cast it then it is a skillshot.

By OP logic if you activate a ground target spell, turn around and place it somewhere far away, it should still hit the enemy cuz it is not a skillshot and you placed it on the ground thereby satisfying all the conditions for the spell to hit.

Skill ceiling has nothing to do with a spell being a skillshot or not. Apple or cherry doesn't matter here. Facts are facts.

Dygz

Placing an AOE telegraph is not the same thing as aiming.

The OP logic neither explicitly nor implicitly conforms with your interpretation of the logic.

Solvryn

Sylvanar wrote: »

If it is an active spell i.e. just clicking the icon doesn't cast it then it is a skillshot.

By OP logic if you activate a ground target spell, turn around and place it somewhere far away, it should still hit the enemy cuz it is not a skillshot and you placed it on the ground thereby satisfying all the conditions for the spell to hit.

Skill ceiling has nothing to do with a spell being a skillshot or not. Apple or cherry doesn't matter here. Facts are facts.

Placing is not aiming.

Just like Rangers “Snipe” isn’t a Snipe.

Tab enhanced isn’t a hybrid.

Cherries and Apples are fruit.

But you didn’t get any of it.

Ludullu

Ooh, ooh, I have new super duper fun semantic discussion. Does LoL have any skillshots? I keep hearing that LoL is full of them, but when I look at its gameplay they're all just conal aoes that are aimed at the ground. So, judging by the OP's logic, LoL doesn't have a single skillshot right? Cause decals on the ground are the same thing as a conal aoe

Lol, this newb with 800k subs and over 250kk views calls ground decals "skillshots"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evOF8Xm5zBA
He even has to explain how to use those, as if there's any SKILL required to make them land on the target. Pfft

Leiloni

Solvryn wrote: »

You don't shoot Divine Flare, you place it on the ground.

Skills shots, require that you shoot them.

Well a massive GtAoE doesn't require skill, either.

Solvryn

Leiloni wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

You don't shoot Divine Flare, you place it on the ground.

Skills shots, require that you shoot them.

Well a massive GtAoE doesn't require skill, either.

Well an AoE that has a huge radius shouldn’t be in a game IMO.

Leiloni

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Their latest tweet about how Divine Flare is an AoE skillshot heal.

I'd say it's a good feedback thread for that.

Ahh, right, I don't pay attention to that part of the page. I gueeeess it applies then, though with it being a delayed effect I'd still say that it qualifies as a skillshot. But this is just yet another semantic debate, which I'm kinda tired of already, so whatever

I agree that smaller AoEs can be harder and more interesting and fun to use. But for me the delayed part makes it easier, not harder. When there's a persistent effect on the ground for a few seconds, it allows friendlies a few seconds to hop into the effect if I missed or if they are in a bad position or ran out, to run back. But when it's instant they need to have good positioning already during gameplay to have enough people caught inside and I need to aim it properly as well (as much as is needed at least depending on skill size). I'd much rather it be instant cast.

I will say though GtAoEs in general are boring, uninteresting, and often too easy. They need limitations such as size and often placement. TERA did both of these well by limiting placement of their AoE heals. There was no freeform mouse placement. Instead they had a set location (small 5m circle at casters feet, 5m circle 10m in front of caster, etc). For context, 10m in TERA was half of max distance for casters so it was mid range.

These were more creative ways to handle circle shaped skills. But I really hope we have more variation in AoEs. Not too many circles. And all the AoE/Telegraphed skills should be smaller than the ones we saw with bigger heals.

Dygz

If it can't be dodged, it's probably not a skillshot.
Also, looks like several of those skills are actually shot.
Divine Flare is not shot.
In that LoL vid, skillshot appears to be used generically/colloquially, rather than precisely.

Leiloni

Twitter link so we all know what we're referring to when we come back to this thread later -

https://twitter.com/AshesofCreation/status/1694696224937365655

Ludullu

Leiloni wrote: »

I agree that smaller AoEs can be harder and more interesting and fun to use. But for me the delayed part makes it easier, not harder. When there's a persistent effect on the ground for a few seconds, it allows friendlies a few seconds to hop into the effect if I missed or if they are in a bad position or ran out, to run back. But when it's instant they need to have good positioning already during gameplay to have enough people caught inside and I need to aim it properly as well (as much as is needed at least depending on skill size). I'd much rather it be instant cast.

Others can run into it, but then they'd split the effect. And if you're trying to time your ground aoe, it requires skill to time it correctly.

Also, attack ground aoes with delay require even more skill because the enemy would most likely move out of them.

Dygz

Is Pepsi a coke?

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

In that LoL vid, skillshot appears to be used generically/colloquially, rather than precisely.

That's cause the term "skillshot" just comes from fps, where everything is a shot. But in pretty much any other game "a thing that requires higher skill to hit someone" would constitute a "skillshot".

Majority of abilities in LoL seem to be ground placed/targeted, yet every time I hear about LoL people say that it has a shitton of skillshots as opposed to Dota, which has "tab" abilities.

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