Do you want "Daily Quests" if so, to what extent?

Many MMO:s have daily quests to give you a steady source of income and reputations, as well as to keep you logging in everyday. Do you want daily quests? Why/why not? If you want them, how important/impactful should they be?

Personaly I would like some form of daily quests but I want them to be interesting and relevant. The best ones for me are quests that make you go out and explore the world. This helps making the world and "older" less relevant areas feel more alive.

For me, if daily quests are present in the game, they should be for max level and they should not take more than 30 mins to complete. They should be optional and focus mostly on income. I also like profession quests.

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Nagash

Damokles

How about weekly quests? They could take up tons of time, lead you through the whole map, require you to collect and/or kill tons of monsters.
They could implement different types of weekly quests: "Craft x amount of uncommon swords" "Collect 500 iron ore with your own hands" "Slay 5 Raid Bosses, and 300 elite monster in raids" "Transport these letters all over the map".

The only things you would get in return would differ. A weekly quest from a divine node would give you some special resource for items from your god, while mercantile node weeklies would give you money. Nothing thag would give you a true advantage, but a nice little reward at the end of a week.

IF we had to have dailys rhen make them like little challenges or something, "Kill 50 enemies in 10sec" "Craft 10 Epic gears in one day" each challenge would in turn give you some exp, reputation with your node and gold.

Daily quests always demand so much constant labour from you and force you to log in, while also giving you too good of a reward to not do them. Lets take WoW for example. If you want to be one of the (lets say) top 10% then you have to do:
-all important dailies on all maps for the azerite and potential gear
-weekly mythic+ runs for the random chest reward
-raid normal/heroic/mythic for all random titanforging
-repeat with at least 2 other characters so that you can switch your class if needed

That makes you burn out faster then you think xD
The best way to rectify that would be to take down the gear rewards for the weekly chests and the daily quests.

Azathoth

I would prefer not. Since this is a sub based game, and the content has potential to be more dynamic than usual, I am hoping this isn't necessary.

If they do move to dailies I don't want them to be mandatory or generate large amounts of xp and gp. I am not playing to have a job.

Noaani

Straight away when reading this I was reminded of a Tom Scott video in which he was talking about how YouTube needs to maintain an amount of clickbait videos in order to keep people coming back to the platform shirt term, but also need to provide actual worthwhile videos to keep people coming back long term (paraphrasing of course). The trick, he claimed, was in YouTube maintaining the right balance.

To me, daily tasks in an MMO are like clickbait videos. They aren't real content, they aren't worthwhile, but they are (usually) so short that you aren't really missing out on the real content if you do partake in one or two.

The problem with daily tasks over clickbait videos is that if you take a day off YouTube, you can come back the next day and watch all those clickbait videos you missed, and all is well. With daily tasks, if you miss a day, that task is gone.

This is a bad thing, as it punishes players for wanting to do something like taking their significant other out for dinner and a show - and any person that has a significant other would understand how a game that punishes this type of thing would likely be short lived in that particular household.

The other major issue with daily quests in MMO's is the amount of time they take up. If you have a daily quest for one zone, chances are you're going to have a similar quest for other zones. If you have a PvE daily quest, you'll end up needing to add in a PvP daily quest, a crafting daily quest, a gathering daily quest etc.

To me, Archeage was the pinnacle of how bad this can get (I never played WoW, maybe it was worse). In Archeage, during particular events, it wasn't uncommon for me to spend 4 hours just doing daily tasks. By the end of that, I'd have to log off. This meant that during some events (the river rapids thing as an example) I wouldn't actually have time to play the actual game, I'd just be doing daily tasks the entire time I was logged on.

I can think of two mechanics that allow for the same function, but remove that major drawback.

The first is making weekly quests rather than daily. Rather than allowing players to do a given quest once, and then resetting that at midnight, allow them to do it 5 times and reset it with the weekly server maintenance. This allows players to do their weeks worth of daily quests at a time that best suits them. This almost totally clears up the issue with having to log in every day or being punished for it.

The other mechanic is to make all daily tasks gated with a token. It may be an exploration task, a PvP task, PvE task, a gathering task, a crafting task, a dungeon crawl task, a node specific task, what ever.

Then you give players exactly 5 tokens a day, whether they log in or not. Players can horde these tokens if they want and do 100+ "daily" tasks at once, or players can do those same tasks every day. For an added sense of depth of mechanic, the tokens could even be tradeable (this opens up a potential can of worms, though I think it could well be worth it).

There are also no doubt many other mechanics that could be used to improve on the standard daily task system most games have - all I know is that as soon as I feel like I have to log in to an MMO in order to do a daily task, I'll unsubscribe from that game and uninstall it.

Undead Canuck

No.

Ravudha

No to daily quests and challenges. One goal of AoC is so players can log in to a changing world and enjoy dynamic content on different days. Dailies tend to enforce repetitive gaming sessions.

My issue with challenges is that they're a very meta mechanic and don't fit in the game world. They suit other game genres better.

unknownsystemerror

The stated plan a while back during one of the livestreams and what we saw in A0 is that they don't plan on what many consider "dailies" to make an appearance. Instead there are dynamic quests that pop up in random areas in a zone that are optional to complete. Reputation grinds and others have been said to be not what they want to do with the questing. As always take anything said in 2016/2017 with the new caveat of "what we said before doesn't matter, development is fluid!"

Varkun

Nope, nope, nope, nope and NO

Marzzo

Damokles wrote: »

How about weekly quests? They could take up tons of time, lead you through the whole map, require you to collect and/or kill tons of monsters.
They could implement different types of weekly quests: "Craft x amount of uncommon swords" "Collect 500 iron ore with your own hands" "Slay 5 Raid Bosses, and 300 elite monster in raids" "Transport these letters all over the map".

The only things you would get in return would differ. A weekly quest from a divine node would give you some special resource for items from your god, while mercantile node weeklies would give you money. Nothing thag would give you a true advantage, but a nice little reward at the end of a week.

IF we had to have dailys rhen make them like little challenges or something, "Kill 50 enemies in 10sec" "Craft 10 Epic gears in one day" each challenge would in turn give you some exp, reputation with your node and gold.

Daily quests always demand so much constant labour from you and force you to log in, while also giving you too good of a reward to not do them. Lets take WoW for example. If you want to be one of the (lets say) top 10% then you have to do:
-all important dailies on all maps for the azerite and potential gear
-weekly mythic+ runs for the random chest reward
-raid normal/heroic/mythic for all random titanforging
-repeat with at least 2 other characters so that you can switch your class if needed

That makes you burn out faster then you think xD
The best way to rectify that would be to take down the gear rewards for the weekly chests and the daily quests.

Yea, a bit larger weekly quests feel more interesting. But I hope they are not so important that you feel like you failed if you missed a week for studies or travel.

Damokles

Marzzo wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

How about weekly quests? They could take up tons of time, lead you through the whole map, require you to collect and/or kill tons of monsters.
They could implement different types of weekly quests: "Craft x amount of uncommon swords" "Collect 500 iron ore with your own hands" "Slay 5 Raid Bosses, and 300 elite monster in raids" "Transport these letters all over the map".

The only things you would get in return would differ. A weekly quest from a divine node would give you some special resource for items from your god, while mercantile node weeklies would give you money. Nothing thag would give you a true advantage, but a nice little reward at the end of a week.

IF we had to have dailys rhen make them like little challenges or something, "Kill 50 enemies in 10sec" "Craft 10 Epic gears in one day" each challenge would in turn give you some exp, reputation with your node and gold.

Daily quests always demand so much constant labour from you and force you to log in, while also giving you too good of a reward to not do them. Lets take WoW for example. If you want to be one of the (lets say) top 10% then you have to do:
-all important dailies on all maps for the azerite and potential gear
-weekly mythic+ runs for the random chest reward
-raid normal/heroic/mythic for all random titanforging
-repeat with at least 2 other characters so that you can switch your class if needed

That makes you burn out faster then you think xD
The best way to rectify that would be to take down the gear rewards for the weekly chests and the daily quests.

Yea, a bit larger weekly quests feel more interesting. But I hope they are not so important that you feel like you failed if you missed a week for studies or travel.

Thats why i am of the opinion, that the only rewards should be something like gold or extra experience for your node.

Roko

Rumlox

Dygz

The typical problem with daily quests is that they are implemented to keep players logging into themepark MMORPGs once the static content has been completed.
They are intended to have people login daily for at least a few minutes each day while waiting for the next expansion. This is part of endgame content.

Ashes of Creation doesn't have an endgame - the content is designed to be dynamic, rather than static, so there should always be new content, rather than being stuck with repeatable quests and raids as we wait for expansions.
So, daily quests should be superfluous.
Daily quests should probably be great for crafting.
Daily quests might also be great for caravan runs.
And daily quests should also be great for castle sieges.
All of those are basic prep steps.

But, there should be plenty of new content -new quests, objectives and tasks- always churning from the progression and deconstruction of Nodes.

Ferryman

No thank you.

George_Black

No. Daily quests imo are a sign that the mmorpg has no depth.
For me a quest needs to have a purpose and be a real quest, not a repetitive activity.

If there is meaningful progress, slow leveling and meaningful questing, you get to enjoy each zone and make memeries in them.
You feel the need to go back to "low level areas" let's say because of an artificial, forced reason such as a daily quest.

ShadowVen

Daily quests? No, thanks.

Wandering Mist

What is the purpose of daily quests? From what I've seen they have 2 purposes:

1. Give new max level characters a starting point into end-game content
2. encourage players to log in every day

I totally get the need to offer players entry points into end-game content, especially for newer players who are getting to max level on their first character. However, there are other ways of doing this and quite frankly I don't think daily quests will be needed in Ashes. The second reason is why I don't want daily quests, as it contributes to the skinner box that a lot of games rely on to get people to keep playing their game. It's manipulative and lazy gameplay that causes more problems than it solves.

So no, I do not want daily quests at all.

Ferryman

Wandering Mist wrote: »

2. encourage players to log in every day. The second reason is why I don't want daily quests, as it contributes to the skinner box that a lot of games rely on to get people to keep playing their game. It's manipulative and lazy gameplay that causes more problems than it solves. So no, I do not want daily quests at all.

Agreed. Soon encourage will start to feel forced.

Dygz

Wandering Mist wrote: »

What is the purpose of daily quests? From what I've seen they have 2 purposes:

1. Give new max level characters a starting point into end-game content
2. encourage players to log in every day

Daily quests give players some thing quick to accomplish each day.
If I only have 15 minutes to play, I can probably find something of some small significance to do.
Doesn't necessarily matter whether I'm max level.

I'm not max level in Wiz101, but I know if I log in for 10 minutes, I can win some gold or crowns.
I'm not max level in Apoc, but the Daily quests help push me a bit closer to the next level. It's great when I can jump in for one match, finish a daily by opening 3 chests and jump back out. Especially on nights when I have class or homework or really need to be studying for an exam.
And, it's easy enough to ignore the Daily quests when they aren't enticing.

The problem isn't really the Daily quests.
The problem is having nothing else new to do for months and years except the Daily quests.

Varkun

As my post above quite plainly stated I do not want to see daily quests as part of Ashes of Creation. Though I suspect there will be daily quests in some form. My true gripe is that the rewards the daily's give are usually so good that you feel obligated to do them or you will simply get left behind. They should provide no more reward than any other activity IMO.
ESO daily crafting quests are a prime example of this, you want to make lots of gold just get 5 or 6 characters with craft skills levelled and the gold just roles in. You get so much from doing these quests and basic crafting materials are so worthless you just purchase them with the huge amounts of gold you have thus you don't even have to farm your own mats.

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