Do you want "Daily Quests" if so, to what extent?

Many MMO:s have daily quests to give you a steady source of income and reputations, as well as to keep you logging in everyday. Do you want daily quests? Why/why not? If you want them, how important/impactful should they be?

Personaly I would like some form of daily quests but I want them to be interesting and relevant. The best ones for me are quests that make you go out and explore the world. This helps making the world and "older" less relevant areas feel more alive.

For me, if daily quests are present in the game, they should be for max level and they should not take more than 30 mins to complete. They should be optional and focus mostly on income. I also like profession quests.

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voidshadow

Daily quests is a mobile game gimmick that i absolutely do not stand for. Don't wannem

Nagash

voidshadow wrote: »

Daily quests is a mobile game gimmick that i absolutely do not stand for. Don't wannem

agreed

T Elf

Daily, repetitive quests usually are a precursor to the decline of a game. Make them rarely used. I would rather decide for myself what to do in a game without having "must do first" and then just get weary and log out.

mcstackerson

And then you miss a week of daily quests and feel behind because of it, further killing your motivation to log in.

Dygz

In Ashes, we will feel behind in any case because the world progresses significantly in a week. We can’t do everything.

I don’t think Ashes dailies will make us feel left behind, rather they will be quick tasks that will give us bit of a boost in some fashion - embers, xp or rep, etc... While also adding to overall Node, Religious, Social and/or Racial progression.

Caeryl

Dygz wrote: »

In Ashes, we will feel behind in any case because the world progresses significantly in a week. We can’t do everything.

I don’t think Ashes dailies will make us feel left behind, rather they will be quick tasks that will give us bit of a boost in some fashion - embers, xp or rep, etc... While also adding to overall Node, Religious, Social and/or Racial progression.

No. We don’t need those attached to dailies. Rewards should be directly related to what content we do and NOT given huge bursts for the first time a day. It has direct negative impacts where players h interest in it just want to get a task over with, rather than doing it well.

Attach a daily to a node vote, and people will pick the first option because it’s convenient, not because the choice appealed to them. If the first caravan a day has significantly more reward, then people will load up with garbage they’re fine losing just to get it out of the way.

No good comes from dailies that can’t be built into the standard gameplay

Dygz

Huge burst is not an inherent component of Dailies and has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.
First task (Caravan) of the day also really has nothing to do with anything I have said, nor is that an inherent component of a Daily.
Dailies can be built into standard game play.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

Dailies can be built into standard game play.

How is that meaningful though?

If a daily is just built in to standard play, it is literally nothing other than giving us shit for free.

Caeryl

Dygz wrote: »

Huge burst is not an inherent component of Dailies and has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.
First task (Caravan) of the day also really has nothing to do with anything I have said, nor is that an inherent component of a Daily.
Dailies can be built into standard game play.

“Dailies” in the way that most people recognize, as in “bonus rewards for doing a menial task for the first time per day”, cannot possibly be built into standard gameplay.

The bonus comes out of nowhere, causing the first time you do it to be the single most valuable. If you have a daily of “craft three pieces of armor” and are rewarded with an 10 gold while crafting a piece of armor usually grants zero gold without player interaction, you just encourage people to spam alts for quick money.

Dailies are absolutely unnecessary unless the baseline reward system is poorly designed, which should cause the reward system to be redesigned and not earn a bandaid solution that rewards people with more alts than dedication to game content.

Like someone else said earlier “Anything you can do in ten minutes, cannot be significantly meaningful” nor should it be rewarded heavily with bursts of money or exp, much less real $ currencies.

Ghoosty

If a daily quest give character bound token/currency/progression I find it OK as a catch-up mechanism.
Example: In WoW, you can buy PvP armour from honor point.
-If you bought everything it is useless for you so you will not feel that you must log in just for that.
-You can't make profit from it, so you will not be encourage to make alts just to farm money.
-If you have a main, but would like to try other class, you can have best gear faster
-you earn reward from the thing what you really want to do and that reward is useful for that thing
-If you play less than others, you can catch-up them faster so you won't be in disadvantage position for too long

Before somebody misunderstand me, I do not want wowlike honor system, but I can imagine that we have to collect some other currency than money to buy something useful.

Wandering Mist

Dygz wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

What is the purpose of daily quests? From what I've seen they have 2 purposes:

1. Give new max level characters a starting point into end-game content
2. encourage players to log in every day

Daily quests give players some thing quick to accomplish each day.
If I only have 15 minutes to play, I can probably find something of some small significance to do.
Doesn't necessarily matter whether I'm max level.

I'm not max level in Wiz101, but I know if I log in for 10 minutes, I can win some gold or crowns.
I'm not max level in Apoc, but the Daily quests help push me a bit closer to the next level. It's great when I can jump in for one match, finish a daily by opening 3 chests and jump back out. Especially on nights when I have class or homework or really need to be studying for an exam.
And, it's easy enough to ignore the Daily quests when they aren't enticing.

The problem isn't really the Daily quests.
The problem is having nothing else new to do for months and years except the Daily quests.

Just going back to this point here. In my experience, dailies in mmorpgs are used to encourage players to do content that they wouldn't normally be interested in, and just do it for the rewards. I've seen this trend in a bunch of mmorpgs including WoW, GW2, FFXIV, Aion, etc. and they all do the same thing. They offer rewards for doing daily content of things that are of no interest to the vast majority of players, and the only reason why they put in those rewards is because if they didn't, nobody would do that content.

Ask any Mythic raider in WoW if they would do world quests if they didn't reward them with AP that they needed for raiding.

Caeryl

Ghoosty wrote: »

If a daily quest give character bound token/currency/progression I find it OK as a catch-up mechanism.
Example: In WoW, you can buy PvP armour from honor point.
-If you bought everything it is useless for you so you will not feel that you must log in just for that.
-You can't make profit from it, so you will not be encourage to make alts just to farm money.
-If you have a main, but would like to try other class, you can have best gear faster
-you earn reward from the thing what you really want to do and that reward is useful for that thing
-If you play less than others, you can catch-up them faster so you won't be in disadvantage position for too long

Before somebody misunderstand me, I do not want wowlike honor system, but I can imagine that we have to collect some other currency than money to buy something useful.

That idea sounds fine, but not some capped earnings system. Let the active players have more benefit. That certainly seems fair they get more when they put in more, said as someone who works full time and certainly won’t be able to no-life any game.

Karthos

Any game that requires you to spend hours doing dailies every day can fuck off in my not-so-humble opinion.

I want to play the game, not do busy work that's poorly hidden as "content".

I think dailies work only so far as they don't take you out of playing the game. Going to random zones to do the same kill or gathering quests isn't playing the game, it's busy work.

Make dailies about building the world, or a competition, such as gathering resources for the node. Something that gives incentives for players to group up and work together.

Noaani

Caeryl wrote: »

Ghoosty wrote: »

If a daily quest give character bound token/currency/progression I find it OK as a catch-up mechanism.
Example: In WoW, you can buy PvP armour from honor point.
-If you bought everything it is useless for you so you will not feel that you must log in just for that.
-You can't make profit from it, so you will not be encourage to make alts just to farm money.
-If you have a main, but would like to try other class, you can have best gear faster
-you earn reward from the thing what you really want to do and that reward is useful for that thing
-If you play less than others, you can catch-up them faster so you won't be in disadvantage position for too long

Before somebody misunderstand me, I do not want wowlike honor system, but I can imagine that we have to collect some other currency than money to buy something useful.

That idea sounds fine, but not some capped earnings system. Let the active players have more benefit. That certainly seems fair they get more when they put in more, said as someone who works full time and certainly won’t be able to no-life any game.

I agree that such a system would need to not be artificially capped.

However, imo, the gear from a system like this needs to be considered baseline gear. It would be the easiest gear that everyone has reasonable access to, and so should be assumed to be the gear everyone has - and then we work up from that point via other means.

Caeryl

noaani wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Ghoosty wrote: »

If a daily quest give character bound token/currency/progression I find it OK as a catch-up mechanism.
Example: In WoW, you can buy PvP armour from honor point.
-If you bought everything it is useless for you so you will not feel that you must log in just for that.
-You can't make profit from it, so you will not be encourage to make alts just to farm money.
-If you have a main, but would like to try other class, you can have best gear faster
-you earn reward from the thing what you really want to do and that reward is useful for that thing
-If you play less than others, you can catch-up them faster so you won't be in disadvantage position for too long

Before somebody misunderstand me, I do not want wowlike honor system, but I can imagine that we have to collect some other currency than money to buy something useful.

That idea sounds fine, but not some capped earnings system. Let the active players have more benefit. That certainly seems fair they get more when they put in more, said as someone who works full time and certainly won’t be able to no-life any game.

I agree that such a system would need to not be artificially capped.

However, imo, the gear from a system like this needs to be considered baseline gear. It would be the easiest gear that everyone has reasonable access to, and so should be assumed to be the gear everyone has - and then we work up from that point via other means.

Absolutely. None of the highest tier gear should be available outside master crafters or group raids (or through players trading if the previously two sources wish to sell it). I’ve very against creating “rare” items out of something that can be farmed.

Edit: Basically sums up half my ire for dailies too. Either the rewards are crap so people will complain they’re not worth doing, or they’re good enough to do by dangling rarer stuff which 1) requires players do it at risk of losing out and 2) pumps “rare” or sought after items into the market en masse, thus destroying the player economy for those items.

Enjoy being a harvester when players can get 50 logs just by doing a 10 minute task.

Enjoy seeing a town vote go awry because unfortunately the day it occurred there was a daily to vote and now you can’t tell if the voting is accurate feedback because the daily rewarded Embers.

Enjoy planning to move your caravan of somewhat rare materials, then it turns out that day there’s a daily to attack a caravan, and know there’s dozens of players camped on the roads just waiting to swarm one that comes by so they can check off that daily for a burst of exp toward their next level.

Ghoosty

Caeryl wrote: »

Absolutely. None of the highest tier gear should be available outside master crafters or group raids (or through players trading if the previously two sources wish to sell it). I’ve very against creating “rare” items out of something that can be farmed.

I feel some inconsistency here. If I farm money anyhow, I will be able to buy the best gear from master crafters. From my perspective the "rare" item had been crated from something what I farmed. As the current plan is there will be very few soulbound items. There will be lot of good item on the market.

Additionally gatherers are farming row materials. Crafters created something from the farmed materials. The only question is what rare material will need for the best gear what can't be farmed easily. If we hide them behind a raid, it cause problem for PvP lovers. Why they need to kill a 'dragon' to be good in PvP? If we hide it behind PvP element, the thing is but from the other point of view. I will not like if it will be a rarely appeared material what can be find if you are lucky.

Also the caravan system you mentioned, there are lot of open question, what can make the game great or ruin it.

Caeryl

Ghoosty wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Absolutely. None of the highest tier gear should be available outside master crafters or group raids (or through players trading if the previously two sources wish to sell it). I’ve very against creating “rare” items out of something that can be farmed.

I feel some inconsistency here. If I farm money anyhow, I will be able to buy the best gear from master crafters. From my perspective the "rare" item had been crated from something what I farmed. As the current plan is there will be very few soulbound items. There will be lot of good item on the market.

Additionally gatherers are farming row materials. Crafters created something from the farmed materials. The only question is what rare material will need for the best gear what can't be farmed easily. If we hide them behind a raid, it cause problem for PvP lovers. Why they need to kill a 'dragon' to be good in PvP? If we hide it behind PvP element, the thing is but from the other point of view. I will not like if it will be a rarely appeared material what can be find if you are lucky.

Also the caravan system you mentioned, there are lot of open question, what can make the game great or ruin it.

@Ghoosty Not to be rude but in the quote itself you can clearly see I don’t have any issue with players selling created or looted endgame gear.

I have an issue with the game itself selling endgame gear.

Undead Canuck

Do you mean the 'game itself selling' gear for real cash? That would be pay to win, which @Steven has said will never happen.

If you mean using in game currency, that would be the same as buying from a crafter, so what is the problem?

Caeryl

UndeadCanadianGamer wrote: »

Do you mean the 'game itself selling' gear for real cash? That would be pay to win, which @Steven has said will never happen.

If you mean using in game currency, that would be the same as buying from a crafter, so what is the problem?

No, the game, an NPC if that’s easier to understand, selling high end gear from the void in unlimited supply, is not remotely the same as players who have created or made that gear voluntarily selling it to another player.

For one it means “elite” gear is commonplace as it’s unlimited. For another it means any player selling the same sort of gear cannot sell for any more than what it’s sold for from the NPC, making the player market restricted from the get-go as well as taking away the agency of players to determine the value of that sort of gear.

Ghoosty

@Caeryl I understood what you said. I just said that I do not feel big difference between 'farm gold'-'buy player', 'farm honor'-'buy npc' from the perspective of buying player.
We have unlimited supply of gold, unlimited supply of 'iron' what can use to prepare gear. The only difference is that the player transform the material to gear or an NPC do that.

Of course from crafter point of view, the difference is huge. But still exist that a rare gear created from something what can be farmed.

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