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However, If a male character can run around wearing just a loincloth (Conan the Barbarian), then personally I feel a female character should be allowed to wear the Iron-Bikini model (if they so choose to do so).
It would be cool however if ARMOR actually reflected real-use stats to some degree.
Example: Wearing a loincloth or iron-bikini would give the character a SPEED BOOST in combat (as their movement is not hindered in anyway) -- But they have close to no ACTUAL ARMOR PROTECTION in choosing that type of outfit.
WEREAS: someone in FULL BODY ARMOR would have the best in protection, but their abilities as far as movement and speed are hindered a bit due to their choice.
Key Word here is "CHOICE".
I believe in Freedom of Choice. For all things - not just this topic.
Taking someone's ability away to choose - and not be the PERSON/PLAYER that they truly want to be is going to alienate certain groups of people. Taking away someone's freedom of choice - forcing them to be something that they are not - or don't relate with -- is again, going to alienate certain groups of PEOPLE/PLAYERS.
Honestly, my feelings on this subject, is to give all kinds of options to all types of people (in regards to armor). However, give legitimate PROS and CONS when using these types of Armors. If going to war, and sieging a castle, would a loincloth or bikini-armor be the best choice? Probably not. But if I CHOOSE to wear that into battle, and die 2 minutes into the fight - well then, I just learned a valuable lesson about dressing appropriately for the occasion.
However, If i'm just questing, grinding, or harvesting, then a loincloth or bikini-armor would probably be just fine considering what my plans are.
At least I had the "CHOICE" and the "OPTION" to play and look the way "I WANTED TO".
Practical vs Un-Practical takes a back-seat to FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
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Why do we still have no structure details?
Why have we spent years of money on the game only to be forced to change, not use or replace half our purchases after racial concepts are changed.
Sometimes I feel so used, abused and confused that I have to leave these forums for days or weeks just to escape the suppression.
Get that shit out of this topic. It has nothing to do with people wanting feminine designs. Dont derail it.
For some of them maybe, but a lot of the ones you linked in a previous post had clear style divisions. It was just the fact that the costumes tended to be 'uniforms' of some type, so they were bound to follow some similar guidelines. A lot of them still look distinctly 'female cut' to me. I can agree with some of the pieces doing what you are implying, but not all. Some of the ones you posted look quite feminine to me in fact and it is the guy that get's the 'shorter end' of the design stick. But that one was also a uniform I think. I'd have to double check.
Fuck you you can't. I have only a female toon. Bye bye beautiful.
Hahhah ahahhah what?
Oh no worries. I think what I really wanted to point out was that uniform type costumes tend to feel more unisex than they really are. I get the rest of your points for sure. I think around half feels like a fair guestimate. I personally think that's fairly acceptable as a ratio but we don't have a good range within that ratio yet which is probably what is causing so many others more sensitive to the topic to be so vocal.
Also I'm not really sure how many women there are in IS right now. Every time Steven prattles off a name of an employee it feels like it is taken out of 'generic male name bank.' I think I've heard two other than Margaret and Toast themselves in the past six months and that is out of dozens of employees Steven likes to praise during stream. This isn't to say they have none, but it's hard to imagine there are a lot of them based on that sample.
I think Margaret is a pretty strong voice when it comes to design direction from a female perspective, but it takes more than a few people to effect the dozens of designs they have to make at any given time. Everything Margaret has made personally that she has said so on Stream has been super tasteful and walking a pretty good line in terms of range of sexiness vs 'serious/reserved/whatever you wanna call it' in her designs. I hope there is a healthy proportion of women in those new hires that can be helping with some of these design decisions. Perhaps that would improve things if it's not currently present.
Yeah, George. I must apologise. At the time I was in a bad mood and naturally I responded in kind (swearing for swearing etc). I'm pleased you took it in jest mate. Once again my apologies. (I won't edit the post so people understand what I have apologised for.)
Cheers,
Neu
Frustration and anger came forth like a mighty river.
But seriously... no need for accusations regarding the monthly stuff. It's been discussed.
Anyways, I like to rhyme hence the words used lol.
It kind of disappointing seeing things gender locked. It would be nice to have a choice to wear the suit or dress regardless of the gender of the character.
Family system does not include children.
Maybe everyone venturing through the Portals a prudish pilgrims.
Steven says they are all heroes - which is why they wear heroic gear, rather than having any commoner gear.
We'll just have to see what Steven's threshold of "sexy" is.
Actually, I think he said that before Margaret was onboard, so - could be that he now has enough women on the team that they are able to expand his vision of armor for women.
I sure hope this is the case as far as having female Armor types. The female models are very close to the male. This is disheartening because I will be RPing my Vaelune bard as a Feminine Street performer. I am not advocating for bikini armor but having a more effeminate look and bikini armor are two drastically different things
See this is what I'm trying to get at. Some people might want to give their character (male or female) a more feminine or masculine look. I personally think that if you just give a lot of options people will be satisfied. The beauty of the MMO genre is the freedom. If I can't have more Effeminate armor on my character that isn't freedom. Thats restricting what we as players can do with our character. If I want to dress Effeminately that doesn't really involve any one else. If they are given options.
Sometimes those can feel arbitrary.
However. If u think its appropriate for females to dictate what my toon wears what is your problem with mutual input from a female toon player who's male? Double standards no?
U dont have to make the armor skimpy to be appealing. All u need to do is make the armor form fitting to the female model.
Dont be afraid to make the character model "sexy" as there are a lot of girls out there that have measurements like 36-24-36. As long as the armor is form fitting it will look appealing to most of us. We just dont want to look like a man or fat in a bulky armor set
Cloth armor thou should feel like a dress. There' really no point to make all of us wearing long ass robes as there' little to no physical defense property to them. Make us look pretty and stylish and that'll make us happy (please also add laces... Love laces)
Leather armor should be focused on movement so "pantsuits" would work well (ie. Witcher3 ciri)
Heavy armor should be plated and slender. We have smaller bone structure & muscle mass comparing to our male counterparts therefore it makes sense to make us look smaller & more slender. (Just dont make us look fat lol)
To be frank ... There' like 1 MAYBE 2 outfits out of everything thats shown i would actually enjoy wearing on my toon.
I am a female gamer and I very much enjoy my character to represent a "fantasy" version of myself in the games I play.
What I mean specifically by a fantasy version of myself is the way I want to dress/style my character. In the real, everyday world I am not able to go out wearing a form-fitting dress that makes me look and feel like a fierse, badass, sexy magician (apart from on Halloween perhaps). However, in a high fantasy world like Ashes of Creation, I think that this type of look should definitely be possible and an option for players to achieve.
I do not for a moment believe that the only way female characters can be viewed as "strong" and "powerful" is by having them dressed/designed in armour that is large, bulky, flat shoed and all-covering. I have definitely seen this viewpoint being shared before, and I really do disagree. Many females (myself included) actually feel empowered by having a choice to dress/style our characters in form-fitting, more revealing and even high heel styled armours. It allows us to represent ourselves in the way we want to be seen.
The most important point is CHOICE. I would just like to copy-paste what I said in a similar topic before:
I firmly believe that diversity and variation in armour/cosmetic styles in games is a good thing, and allows people to create characters that they like the look of to represent them. As long as there are options for both fully covering, non form-fitting (loose?), flat shoe/boots and then also more form-fitting, revealing, high-heel
shoe/boots etc. that people can choose between - then why should this ever be seen as a problem? Although some people personally may not like one or the other style, why should others not be able to use them?
Please not again. stay true to the line AOC team
These days I'm actually quite stoked though. I do appreciate the opportunities to express myself freely. I'm quite a reclusive writer
I don't think it's simply about hate against sexy female characters.
It's more about the sexual objectifying of female game characters and females in general.
Says you.