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I'll see if I can scrounge a quote for you , sure.
"The advancement and progression of your profession that exosts within the Artisanship path does not correlate to that of your Adventuring class."
---Steven
Many thanks guys, seems like i've overlooked this one!
Aren't we all sinners?
Your Naivity in that comment was in regards to bots Noaani, it didn't changed all:
If you want to challenge that statement, it is still there.
The only thing that changed is that, now i know that i will for sure have an meta lv1 Master Crafter Alt chilling in my freehold + lv 1 alts to pk lv1 bots/alts gatherers and play around corruption by deleting them and remaking new ones.
Aren't we all sinners?
Bot designers kind of do this with the knowledge that most players that suspect a bot in a game will kill that bot after reporting it - and so leaving the bot in what amounts to an afk state is the safest thing for them to do.
Reporting a bot and leaving it doing it's thing (assuming the publisher of the game is able to get to the report in any reasonable amount of time) is the most likely way to see action taken on the account.
Killing the bot will mean it slows down it's production, but it will continue.
And as I also said in that post, making a change to allow players to kill said bot is not worth making alterations to the design and intent of the game. There are other ways of dealing with bots that do not impact players at all - ways that actually work.
How does it drastically change the overall games design to make it so low class level/high artisan level characters can be killed and award corruption based on how high their artisan level is? Because what I see it simply prevents players from avoiding the PvP mechanic of the game and simultaneously deters bot gatherers/gold sellers.
And what about going out into the world capable of gathering high level materials with extra protection from the corruption system? Less risk for more reward is what I see there <.<
Creating a a level 1 class/ max level artisan character to gain greater protection from PVP via giving substantially more corruption upon death while still gaining the ability to acquire high tier materials.
What you seem to mean is that it increases the risk for players killing that non-combatant who is Gathering high level resources and mats.
That is part of the Ashes risk v reward design.
I don't understand how that helps anyone avoid PvP combat since you still have to progress your Artisan levels while remaining a Level 1 Adventurer.
Most of the PvP combat for Ashes is intended to take place in Battlegorunds, where PvP flagging and death penalties are disabled.
We'll have to see if it works out that way. If the meta actually becomes to make level 1 characters for resource acquisition, and gathering areas become battlegrounds of level 1 alts fighting over resources...I can't see Intrepid letting that stand.
I mean in a way it'd kinda balance out. One group would have a few level 1 gatherers and a few max level players. The opposing group would have the same. The outcome would be decided by which group's max level players win the fight. The winning group's level 1s would then attack the losing groups level 1s. Losing groups level 1s can't fight back because if they flag up, the max levels will kill them.
Not sure if I've really thought that out correctly but what a ridiculous sounding scenario lol
It does indeed give greater protection seeing as it is a much higher amount of corruption for killing that alt than it is for killing a max level character while still acquiring the same high tier resources, as you said before it provides a much greater deterrence to pvp. It decreases the risk using a low class level alt while not decreasing the reward of the level of gathering.
The way of getting around that is as simple as having escorts that kill off the level 1's you use to attack the level 1 gatherers. They turn purple or red, boom theyre 1-shotted with no corruption penalty. In the end those gathering level 1's just dont attack and they are a corruption bomb basically. Either way, it definitely needs to be tested, and at the moment its going to be one of my main things i test during alpha 2.
With it, the above it not viable.
That is a drastic change in the game - at least to some players that enjoy crafting.
It doesn't allow people to avoid PvP mechanics. If I am level 1 in my combat class, you can attack me as *probably* anything up to level 5 in your combat class without suffering anything other than normal corruption penalties.
Yeah I agree with this. No matter where the corruption rules eventually settles it will end up to the tears. Upcoming tests will show where we are with the rules and what devs think about the situation.
"PvE-server" which keeps all PvP content but only changes non-consensual owPvP to consensual owPvP is totally doable. This of course needs proper evaluation where this change impacts and what kind tweaks and design changes are then needed.
This is something that devs does not need to plan atm but they can evaluate this option later IF the owPvP causes too much distribution within the playerbase.
Developers will also have data (killboards) which shows how much e.g. ganking really happens and they can evaluate the situation based on that. Thetefore, I am not that worried if some people will complain about too harsh rules or that they get ganked all the time. These can be just single post from frustrated persons who might been unlucky for example.
For those recluses who thoroughly enjoy the smithy or perhaps animal carer life, I hope there is an avenue for that but as a proper character doing multiple tasks.
If we're roleplaying this, you can't be a strong smithy from just crafting experience alone, you gotta get fit, you gotta get wood, you gotta work with people to get resources, utilize pack horses for huge quantities of mats from A > Home Smith/shop whatever, upkeep and maintenance of establishment, having it be an actual playing experience that is a real struggle to have as an alt or in worst case a bot or in another worse case it being so simple you can watch a movie while doing it.
I am talking about the game as it has been described to us. I'm not sure what all of this has to do with anything.
Sure, if you're a smith of some sort, you need wood. You don't get that yourself, you get a woodcutter to get it (actually, you probably need charcoal, but details...). Sure, you need pack horses, but you get a horse breeder to breed them for you, and you probably also get a teamster to transport your goods.
If you are a smith, you want to get as many other people doing these tasks as you can, so that you can focus on the thing that you can do better than them - smithing.
Even if we ignore all of this, what is the difference between the player doing all of those ancillary tasks on that smith, or on a different character? The rewards of all effort go to the player, not the character - so why is this such an issue?
smdh
PKers are not the only threat for Level 1 characters.
I can't think of any actual scenario where it will be an issue.
I think this is a just a difference between you and I, you are about unlocking and completing content and I'm all about preserving the sanctity of it.
I'm had crafting/resource collecting alts in UO, Lineage 2 and Archeage and it's not a great thing at all, it simply leads to further chores, self independance, degrades role importance and most importantly leans less on community help.
All in the name of staying competitive...some people enjoy the complete experience but the thing is most are unable to or simple don't like it, I'm the latter, I like the specialist trade I chose, whether thats trade skill or combat and I want to an expert at it with skill and gear that reflects my commitment and if the game isn't deep enough to facilitate that then it's a poor competitive game. I main crafter, with only 1 character, could say exactly the same thing as I just did, with his importance ruined by "well X guild has their own alt crafter, they don't need anything from me".
Also with the smithing, how is a dwarf creating and finding out about rare and great gear from simply going through a levelling process of spamming 100 iron swords or something? He could go on a journey to find knowledge, speak to different nodes needing another language, join a party with adventurer's to research into artifacts which can help him expand his crafting knowledge.
I will always slam alt use, as in the past it's merely been a player extension for more personal wealth and glory, usually favouring people with more time and an mmo is meant to be a community game valueing each other, so let's think towards that...
It can be this to people that are after these things.
However, it can be a source of variety to people that are not after these things.
What your argument here seems to amount to, as far as I can see, is you wanting to be viewed as a strong player/character in the game, but you want to limit what it takes to get to being in that position to being just at where you want it to be.
Adding more depth to player progression (note; not character progression) is an inherently good thing in an MMO. If you do not have it in you to maintain yourself at that level, don't play at that level.
In a game not being as grindy, as say Lineage 2 where it would take you over 3 months of 8+ hour gameplay everyday to reach an Artisan level to have the capability of learning high end recipes, it appears as those I can't convince you this would heavily devalue the profession/skill.
That is true but I'll say right now that a game isn't fun enough if people naturally lean towards a mulitple character mindset, unless ofc it's branching into a competitive fighting game mindset, where playing different characters you attain more knowledge quicker.
Well that's incorrect, I want the mastery of a profession/class to almost be limitless, IE someone who has created another character and has achieved max level on this different class and has a decent understanding of its skillset, with relevant gear, would be no where near as reilable (in most cases, pro players can easily break boundaries) as someone who has continued to main it, experiencing tough situations and has natural instincts for their skillset (missile/animation speeds, cooldown timings without looking, reservation knowledge of utilizing high cooldown abilities, natural unity with ally abilities etc).
I'll keep this relatively short, this is huge attitude problem and goes against a healthy and massive mulitplayer competitive game state. I go very hard into competitive games but I'm supportive by nature, judging by your commitment to mmo discussion I know you and me have a lot of time to sink into an mmo but I don't get any real thrill from increasing my profits or power to where the average player cannot reach me.
Being a crafter and nothing else isn't very PvX for a game that is being designed to require both PVP and PVE to progress in game hahaha. If anything, what youre proposing is in direct conflict with the games intended design.
So making a character specifically to focus on artisan skill and not level class as to deter other players from killing you due to increased corruption penalty more so than if you were a max class level character doing the same thing, i.e. increasing the risk for PKers as you say....you dont see that as an exploit nor as greater protection? Explain that logic.
Yeah that's one of the tools (high level mobs) the devs have to keep it from becoming meta.
Good lookin out.
Doesn't necessarily lean less on community help.
People who rely on alts for Crafting typically do so because they have tons of time to Craft - time when other players are busy doing other stuff or don't have as much time to play.
Makes it easier for the hardcore time Crafters to help the casual time players acquire the items they want.
I don't what "sanctity" is supposed to be preserved since RPGs are intended to have stories based on the actions of the characters. And alts are just multiple characters per player.
I've explained that a couple of times already.