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1 - Health bar is never visible to non-allies
2 - Health bar becomes visible once PvP begins...that is to say, Health Bars are always visible for enemies (as well as allies). But not for neutrals
I support option 2.
I think the hp bars have traditionally been used to communicate what they haven’t been able to show graphically. The bars cost fewer resources, but with today’s technology perhaps that changes?
im all for number 2 as then it would also help identify enemies and people who are just watching on the sidelines ( for example group a and b fighting and group c waddles into the area but arent hostile yet). would make full on ganking alot harder / more interesting as well. wont be able to just blow your load on someone instantly until you engage so you can see their hp otherwise you are gonna end up corrupted.
only upside of seeing someones Hp while being neutral is if you are a rogue / assassin so you can assasinate them but in this type of game with corruption thats not the best option half the time anyway.
group corruption is too much. that doesn't solve the problem. I've explained many times why its a bad idea. you could even join a group of people who are leveling, then go and kill one of your friends, making all the randoms go red while ur guild comes out of nowhere and destroy them.
anyways if people could see your hp, you could still get them to go red while trying to lower your health. simply remove your jewels (they cant see you did) now you have no mdef and you die making the other person go red.
vs physical attackers, we don't know how cosmetics gonna work in the end. you could probably remove your armor and your enemies wont see that, and will only see your costumes, so it would work the same as removing your jewels. and even if they could see that you are naked, then they wont attack you to avoid getting red (unless they just wanted to go red in the first place, then it doesn't matter).
there are also plenty of ways to avoid being killed by mobs and someone lowering your hp. people need to git gud.
That isn't anything I have talked about at all in this thread (I don't think I have specifically argued for group corruption at all).
Feel free to go back over what I actually said and form an opinion on that if you like, rather than pulling assumptions on what was said out of seemingly no where and then posting your opinions on those assumptions.
Unless I missed it somewhere, what exactly IS the obfuscated health value set up going to be going into A2?
Is it exactly what we saw in the Caravan demo? With bars visible always in combat, then degrading by sections?
IMO this is a reason not to allow invisible health bars.
When you're doing something that you'd never normally consider doing if not for the system, then that system is getting in the way (of natural gameplay).
This is gaming the system rather than playing the game, IMO, and is a sign of bad design.
This isn't bad design, ill explain this as others have already.
If your purpose is to pvp flag and kill someone to remove them out of the area or get them to flag back as purple that risk of them dying is part of it and intended. Though there needs to be more context for each different situation...
Situation 1.
If the person is fighting mobs and you are attacking them while not knowing their hp and kill them that should be very well intended. This is of course the worse case scenario where someone could judge one is trying to grief potentially to get them killed to mobs.
Situation 2.
You know they are fighting mobs and wait for them to finish to either talk to them or simply attack them hoping they flag back. Knowing they were fighting mobs you should have plenty of information to make a judgement on their potential hp level and waiting for them to heal before you decide to flag on them. There shouldn't be a situation where you kill them by accident
Situation 3.
Person is almost dead (you dont know) and is not attacking mobs and walking around the area while avoiding any mobs but kind of following you (or maybe not following you). Its pretty clear this person isn't at the moment effecting your farm and can easily be ignored. You decide to flag and kill them anyway not having an actual reason and they die in one attack. Though this would corrupt you, at the same time you pretty much flagged on someone for no reason not effecting you. corruption at this point is deserved. Do to the level of their hp they wouldn't be able to have any influence on mobs nor even hover near you around mobs else they die instantly.
I fail to see how this is in relation to a reason for bad design on that point. Pretty much in these situations you are making your own choice and would have plenty of information to avoid killing someone even without seeing their hp. Or out right be able to avoid being corrupted by simply not attacking them as they aren't effecting you.
Because something is thought of on paper doesn't mean it works or makes sense in practice. Ruining around almost dead in AoC (that is suppose to have more difficult pve) sounds like a quick way to die and lose XP and items you have on you potentially and have to run all the way back and waste a lot of time.
As I said, IMO this is bad design. There is no objective truth here to explain, it's only your opinion, and mine.
We're not sure how this will work (unless someone can correct me?) - there may well be a mechanic that causes the 'killing blow' to pass back to the last player causing damage, say within X seconds.
Although I imagine this is the type of thing that will receive more focus during the Alpha tests.
Personally speaking however, for me it's all part of the "dangers of the world", and kind've fair game. As long as there is no significant difference in level.
Again IMO this is a sign of bad design. Outside of gaming the corruption mechanic, there is no reason you would normally choose to wander around with 3% hp. So the mechanic itself is causing players to behave irrationally for some kind of advantage (you said in a previous post that the victim could then hunt the corrupted aggressor and take his gear) - so the mechanic itself is warping the gameplay. For me it's a negative not a positive.
These mechanics are trying to solve a particular problem, without creating new ones - aka staying out of the way of natural gameplay. Running around Verra with 3% HP is not natural gameplay.
Right under the picture withe the transitions we get the info that
Green players killed by mobs (the mob deals the killing blow) do not flag attacking players as corrupt, but since the exact health of another player is not known (outside of the same party, raid, alliance, or guild), attackers run the risk of killing the player and becoming corrupt.[58]
I agree that players must expect the danger coming from other players.
Players should be aware of who is around them and act accordingly. Not just expect that some group of players just politely observes the battle while that NPC maybe will drop valuable resources.
Ah thanks. Interesting. So I guess there's your risk for both predator & prey. Seems a good system to me!
100% this. Even when I'm not in PvP mode, just want to get some quest done etc.. you should have to keep an eye out. Aware of surroundings, even adapt the playstyle.
Eg: I'd be far more cautious with hp/mp levels while farming mobs with people nearby, more guarded with cooldowns etc. It's a vital aspect of the world even when the PvP doesn't happen.