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Female Expression In AoC

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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    and once again i didnt talk about just a bunch of people in Forums , i talked about the majority of games and thats something already proven like it or not lol

    'i talked about the majority of games and thats something already proven like it or not' ??

    Are you talking about the grifters/anti-"woke" talentless and embarrassing content creators plaguing yt feeds (as their followers...) and the nolifers (brainless) trolls giving reviews? Is that what you talking about 😂 pretty much every game that comes out now they claim it and label it as being "woke" for the most ridiculous reason they find/made up [now imagine trying to shamelessy hide their true intent aka ideology (also nature/identity) behind such a small word] and the slop of their miserable attempts?

    So, a point worth making.

    If one side of a discussion is consistently louder, over multiple platforms, for many years, they are probably not a minority.

    If they are indeed a minority, they clearly care more about the discussion than the majority.

    It is very easy for us to always think our position is the majority one. This is because we tend to surround ourselves with like-minded people, as it is always more enjoyable to spend time with those that have similar mindsets to ourselves.

    If you go out in to the gaming world in general, leaving behind ones own bubble, the discourse on this is fairly one sided.

    If there are indeed a silent majority that want this changed, they need to start being less silent - and I am not talking about on an individual game forum.

    They need to shift the whole discourse.

    If they can't or won't do this, expect every game developers to generally adhere to the discourse happening in their primary target market.
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  • KallyshaKallysha Member
    edited August 24
    Noaani wrote: »

    If one side of a discussion is consistently louder, over multiple platforms, for many years, they are probably not a minority.

    If they are indeed a minority, they clearly care more about the discussion than the majority.

    Oh so the far larger amount of people in the world (so majority) who dont make videos on yt or stream now must have to? Or even care at all going around to "argue" against low iq (or actually below negative
    so nonexistent) individuals? A discussion the minority themselves created to begin with?
    Noaani wrote: »

    If there are indeed a silent majority that want this changed, they need to start being less silent - and I am not talking about on an individual game forum.

    They need to shift the whole discourse.

    If they can't or won't do this, expect every game developers to generally adhere to the discourse happening in their primary target market.

    Yes the one who already existed far prior to content creators being a thing ye that one.
    'Want this Changed'? I mean we are not the ones really in here asking (or should i say demanding...) for changes tho as one can notice... or should be obvious, because maybe we are somewhat fine with what there is (we provide suggestions/ideas thats it).
    And yes maybe people should be less silent but again what i mention above ^ why bother (we do be wasting our time and braincells).

    And going back 'one side of a discussion is consistently louder' well there, you already said it all, they just love being louder (must be due to desperation).
    Also the fatigue over big content creators (their content/behavior/ideologies) been considerably increasing and noticeable...
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  • GreatPhilisopherGreatPhilisopher Member, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    and once again i didnt talk about just a bunch of people in Forums , i talked about the majority of games and thats something already proven like it or not lol

    'i talked about the majority of games and thats something already proven like it or not' ??

    Are you talking about the grifters/anti-"woke" talentless and embarrassing content creators plaguing yt feeds (as their followers...) and the nolifers (brainless) trolls giving reviews? Is that what you talking about 😂 pretty much every game that comes out now they claim it and label it as being "woke" for the most ridiculous reason they find/made up [now imagine trying to shamelessy hide their true intent aka ideology (also nature/identity) behind such a small word] and the slop of their miserable attempts?

    i love how i didnt mention any of that stuff but you started rambling about them on your own with a lot of ..well passion i guess 😂 , basically showing your mentality and the type of person you are aka you smell like them Concord player base 😂😂.

    like as soon as all of that BS started failing and stuff started getting back to normal Overwatch for example the game thats been putting out BS for years changed to save themselves , heck as soon as rivals came out they started releasing hot characters and showering them with skins and lately released a statement that they will focus on putting out well in short "hot characters" and basically cut the well as they put it "quirky" stuff they been putting out and killing their game with.

    eitherway no wonder you are deluded thinking your type of ideas are the popular one lmfao
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 24
    My wife keeps saying her mage is frumpy and wants to be more like in the wheel of time Asidie. Flowing dress as she blinks her way through the battle field as she rains down distraction.

    I have to say as a male, the male avatars and armor is just meh.
  • i love how i didnt mention any of that stuff but you started rambling about them on your own with a lot of ..well passion i guess 😂 , basically showing your mentality and the type of person you are aka you smell like them Concord player base 😂😂.

    like as soon as all of that BS started failing and stuff started getting back to normal Overwatch for example the game thats been putting out BS for years changed to save themselves , heck as soon as rivals came out they started releasing hot characters and showering them with skins and lately released a statement that they will focus on putting out well in short "hot characters" and basically cut the well as they put it "quirky" stuff they been putting out and killing their game with.

    eitherway no wonder you are deluded thinking your type of ideas are the popular one lmfao

    You sure about that?
    its always funny how its the tiny minority that are the loudest , people not wanting heels or attractive females and armors and all of that DEI and other dumb stuff like calling it immersion in a high fantasy game where u ride dragons and shoot lighting outta ur hands. hilarious ngl

    You aint foolling me, i saw what you up to from the start, you guys are very obvious to catch plus your gaslight doesnt work on me at all btw sorry to tell you that.
    Overwatch? Oh yes a game i havent heard about in ages sure...
    Concord? Yeaaah...futuristic themed and cartoonish shooter games arent my type of game. (again your attempt failed miserably)
    I also love to hear people like you talking about "the modern audience" 🤣 flash news for you and the ones alike you, females/trans/homos (oh yes and people who have a different shade/tone of color than you...), we been playing games since ever, since we were kids, so there isnt much of a "modern audience" (i mean in the distorted way you want to put it...) since we already existed. Also your nuances of mansplaining aka Misogyny been showing.
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
  • AszkalonAszkalon Member, Alpha Two
    As a Female MMO gamer I would like to suggest giving more effeminate options in armor styles.

    I wouldn't count to expect any more civil or more artistic or more feminine or male Designs in Clothes and/or Armor until the Game nears it's Release State, a.k.a. 1.0.

    Could be even later than that, too.
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  • GreatPhilisopherGreatPhilisopher Member, Alpha Two
    edited August 25
    Kallysha wrote: »
    i love how i didnt mention any of that stuff but you started rambling about them on your own with a lot of ..well passion i guess 😂 , basically showing your mentality and the type of person you are aka you smell like them Concord player base 😂😂.

    like as soon as all of that BS started failing and stuff started getting back to normal Overwatch for example the game thats been putting out BS for years changed to save themselves , heck as soon as rivals came out they started releasing hot characters and showering them with skins and lately released a statement that they will focus on putting out well in short "hot characters" and basically cut the well as they put it "quirky" stuff they been putting out and killing their game with.

    eitherway no wonder you are deluded thinking your type of ideas are the popular one lmfao

    You sure about that?
    its always funny how its the tiny minority that are the loudest , people not wanting heels or attractive females and armors and all of that DEI and other dumb stuff like calling it immersion in a high fantasy game where u ride dragons and shoot lighting outta ur hands. hilarious ngl

    You aint foolling me, i saw what you up to from the start, you guys are very obvious to catch plus your gaslight doesnt work on me at all btw sorry to tell you that.
    Overwatch? Oh yes a game i havent heard about in ages sure...
    Concord? Yeaaah...futuristic themed and cartoonish shooter games arent my type of game. (again your attempt failed miserably)
    I also love to hear people like you talking about "the modern audience" 🤣 flash news for you and the ones alike you, females/trans/homos (oh yes and people who have a different shade/tone of color than you...), we been playing games since ever, since we were kids, so there isnt much of a "modern audience" (i mean in the distorted way you want to put it...) since we already existed. Also your nuances of mansplaining aka Misogyny been showing.
    Kallysha wrote: »
    i love how i didnt mention any of that stuff but you started rambling about them on your own with a lot of ..well passion i guess 😂 , basically showing your mentality and the type of person you are aka you smell like them Concord player base 😂😂.

    like as soon as all of that BS started failing and stuff started getting back to normal Overwatch for example the game thats been putting out BS for years changed to save themselves , heck as soon as rivals came out they started releasing hot characters and showering them with skins and lately released a statement that they will focus on putting out well in short "hot characters" and basically cut the well as they put it "quirky" stuff they been putting out and killing their game with.

    eitherway no wonder you are deluded thinking your type of ideas are the popular one lmfao

    You sure about that?
    its always funny how its the tiny minority that are the loudest , people not wanting heels or attractive females and armors and all of that DEI and other dumb stuff like calling it immersion in a high fantasy game where u ride dragons and shoot lighting outta ur hands. hilarious ngl

    You aint foolling me, i saw what you up to from the start, you guys are very obvious to catch plus your gaslight doesnt work on me at all btw sorry to tell you that.
    Overwatch? Oh yes a game i havent heard about in ages sure...
    Concord? Yeaaah...futuristic themed and cartoonish shooter games arent my type of game. (again your attempt failed miserably)
    I also love to hear people like you talking about "the modern audience" 🤣 flash news for you and the ones alike you, females/trans/homos (oh yes and people who have a different shade/tone of color than you...), we been playing games since ever, since we were kids, so there isnt much of a "modern audience" (i mean in the distorted way you want to put it...) since we already existed. Also your nuances of mansplaining aka Misogyny been showing.

    lmfao i said one word "DEI" among many other stuff and yet you are the one who went on a temper tantrum mentioning so much stuff and now you're going on another one , i wouldnt be surprised if you were a feminist who majored in useless gender studies or some similar dumb stuff.

    anyway keep being mad, as for ashes they either cave in and change what they making to please the majority of people not the 1% of them (also dont mention women again please most of them aren't like you wanting ugly shit in games but the exact opposite lol) or no one gonna bother with the game and thats in term of looks and cosmetics not even the gameplay itself which is another hole to get into lol
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  • VolgarisVolgaris Member, Alpha Two
    As a Female MMO gamer I would like to suggest giving more effeminate options in armor styles. My concern is that I would like to have the option for dressing effeminately. The reason I am suggesting to make it optional is so people can dress as feminine or masculine or neutral as the player choses. This aids players self expression. Different armor styles as well as jewelry and makeup would be very helpful in this goal. I understand that you would like to keep things on the more practical side but this could be stifling to the communities creativity. Self expression and fashion is very important to me as a player I would like as many options as possible in creating my character.

    Seems reasonable. Lets just not make it into a wifu creator.

    On the point of how assets render on different sexes or different races. I'm not a fan of how it is currently. It's so strange that as you pass armor from one character to another it actually changes how it looks. I would actually like to be a Vek with Dwarf armor. I mean essentially they're using a fraction of the assets per race they could be using. I understand this would take some work to make sure each armor would look good on each race. So any character should be able to wear any piece of gear and have it render basically the same. Whether that's a helm, sword, cup, thong, tutu, whatever..
  • lmfao i said one word "DEI" among many other stuff and yet you are the one who went on a temper tantrum mentioning so much stuff and now you're going on another one , i wouldnt be surprised if you were a feminist who majored in useless gender studies or some similar dumb stuff.

    anyway keep being mad, as for ashes they either cave in and change what they making to please the majority of people not the 1% of them (also dont mention women again please most of them aren't like you wanting ugly shit in games but the exact opposite lol) or no one gonna bother with the game and thats in term of looks and cosmetics not even the gameplay itself which is another hole to get into lol

    You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper, amazing indeed 😂 not that surprises me at all tho, that is yours (and people like you) modus operandi

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  • KallyshaKallysha Member
    edited August 25
    Lithion wrote: »
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    It does look more than fine to me (love the mushroom one)
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  • VolgarisVolgaris Member, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    It does look more than fine to me

    I didn't see a mammoth so it's not quite there yet.
  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I am interested to see the art above turned into game assets. I did love ESO cosmetic tab. I would love to see skins used in that way. I have yet to think I looked cool.
  • AszkalonAszkalon Member, Alpha Two
    I hope we will see quite "A FEW" Recolor-Variants of these Pre-Order things ingame later.




    It would be such an absolute Waste if Nobody can even get them anymore. The cool House-Skins, Mounts, Armor-Sets, Caravan(?)-Skins, etc. etc.
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  • GreatPhilisopherGreatPhilisopher Member, Alpha Two
    edited August 26
    Kallysha wrote: »
    lmfao i said one word "DEI" among many other stuff and yet you are the one who went on a temper tantrum mentioning so much stuff and now you're going on another one , i wouldnt be surprised if you were a feminist who majored in useless gender studies or some similar dumb stuff.

    anyway keep being mad, as for ashes they either cave in and change what they making to please the majority of people not the 1% of them (also dont mention women again please most of them aren't like you wanting ugly shit in games but the exact opposite lol) or no one gonna bother with the game and thats in term of looks and cosmetics not even the gameplay itself which is another hole to get into lol

    You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper, amazing indeed 😂 not that surprises me at all tho, that is yours (and people like you) modus operandi

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    Lady the only digger here is you digging deeper into your own delusions and trying to shove ugly stuff nobody likes into things so i will just let you dive deeper into that ocean of pollution of yours(which is a joke to me and the majority of people 😂 ) for at the end of the day time will tell like always and i will be here laughing at the outcome either way it goes the good or the bad lol.

    oh also you are not worth being a fodder side character in my story non the less the villian ;) ,heck not even a clown at least they are funny on purpose not ignorance , but hey at least u gave me a few laughs so good job lol
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  • Lady the only digger here is you digging deeper into your own delusions and trying to shove ugly stuff nobody likes into things so i will just let you dive deeper into that ocean of pollution of yours(which is a joke to me and the majority of people 😂 ) for at the end of the day time will tell like always and i will be here laughing at the outcome either way it goes the good or the bad lol.

    oh also you are not worth being a fodder side character in my story non the less the villian ;) ,heck not even a clown at least they are funny on purpose not ignorance , but hey at least u gave me a few laughs so good job lol

    You do sound quite mad tho😆 and which part of your gaslighting not working on me you didnt get?
    Its ok people like you tend to have an hard time dealing with the truth and evidences, also the only painfully delusional here its obviously you. [looks like i became the main character in your story by now...]
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I dont get the blow back on this one. Spending a long time my my character for Phase 3 because they may not be wipped for a long time. Changing options did very little. Its no where current industry standards. Clothing looks frumpy on top of that. Sure some things look cool but not on a whole. I'm not overly impressed with most of the dungeon dropped style.

    In the fact that woman standards on how they look are higher then the average man. Says that Ashes is missing out on that demographic. My wife prefers the style on her WoW mage over Ashes. That says something.
  • I feel some people in here are just stuck in the past... if i wanted everything exactly as they were in the mmo i used to play, then i suppose i would just stick to it instead of looking for something new right?
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    Its no where current industry standards.
    My wife prefers the style on her WoW mage over Ashes.

    contradiction right there (wow is nowhere near current industry standards)
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    In the fact that woman standards on how they look are higher then the average man.

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    Tell me about it
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 27
    Kallysha wrote: »
    I feel some people in here are just stuck in the past... if i wanted everything exactly as they were in the mmo i used to play, then i suppose i would just stick to it instead of looking for something new right?
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    Its no where current industry standards.
    My wife prefers the style on her WoW mage over Ashes.

    contradiction right there (wow is nowhere near current industry standards)
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    In the fact that woman standards on how they look are higher then the average man.

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    Tell me about it

    Lol that's awesome. I needed that laugh. The statement about my wife to clear that up is two separate problems.

    1. Ashes not yet at the current industry standards in options and graphics.
    2. My wife thinks the style of the Ashes avatar from to their clothing options. No enjoyable style. She says there all to boyish. Get a girl on the team.
    3rd and final. The picture you posted would be an upgrade of you could make a avatar that detailed lol My Bard would love that hat.
  • JhorenJhoren Member
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    2. My wife thinks the style of the Ashes avatar from to their clothing options. No enjoyable style. She says there all to boyish. Get a girl on the team.

    There are women on the team who have designed the armors. I think Margaret even designed some of them. So it, again, just comes down to personal taste, not so much gender.
    for someone who claims to not be bothered by the dozens of posts complaining about something that is factually proven to be liked/wanted by the majority of people in here or any other game you sure took the time to write a long reply while sounding salty about it.

    Awesome, please provide this factual proof! I assume it's a peer reviewed study, with clear parameters for what people like? o:) If not, I am afraid Hitchens's razor applies.

  • nanfoodle wrote: »
    1. Ashes not yet at the current industry standards in options and graphics.
    2. My wife thinks the style of the Ashes avatar from to their clothing options. No enjoyable style. She says there all to boyish. Get a girl on the team.

    character creator wise yes i agree we waiting for improvements in that regard.

    I mean...
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    those dresses dont look boyish to me tho
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    1. Ashes not yet at the current industry standards in options and graphics.
    2. My wife thinks the style of the Ashes avatar from to their clothing options. No enjoyable style. She says there all to boyish. Get a girl on the team.

    character creator wise yes i agree we waiting for improvements in that regard.

    I mean...
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    those dresses dont look boyish to me tho

    Problem is that none of that is ingame shots, they are mockups or concept art. What we see in these pictures are about what we want. We have also been promised BDO quality char creator. The one we were shown in the showcase was also not real, as it was miles better then what we see now. I know they are rolling back of some things to launch faster, this cant be one of them.
  • LaetitianLaetitian Member
    edited August 29
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    1. Ashes not yet at the current industry standards in options and graphics.
    2. My wife thinks the style of the Ashes avatar from to their clothing options. No enjoyable style. She says there all to boyish. Get a girl on the team.

    character creator wise yes i agree we waiting for improvements in that regard.

    I mean...
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    those dresses dont look boyish to me tho

    Problem is that none of that is ingame shots, they are mockups or concept art. What we see in these pictures are about what we want. We have also been promised BDO quality char creator. The one we were shown in the showcase was also not real, as it was miles better then what we see now. I know they are rolling back of some things to launch faster, this cant be one of them.
    "I know they are rolling back of some things to launch faster, this cant be one of them."
    ????
    Performance optimisation?
    Fewer vectors for bug troubleshooting?

    What are you talking about? Of course rolling out things faster is EXACTLY the reason the character creator is restricted. Where exactly do you think the features missing from the original "fake" character creator went? Do you think they hand-animated those slider settings in all the previous videos just so they could trick you into caring about their game, before the virtue signal police came in and took away all the things that appealed to you aesthetically? I need to understand what's happening in your brain.
    The only one who can validate you for all the posts you didn't write is you.
  • SoSpokeMikaSoSpokeMika Member
    edited August 30
    Kallysha said:
    Lithion wrote: »
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    It does look more than fine to me (love the mushroom one)


    God, 2 of armor sets make wanna vomit.

    3D model of Protector's set might be the worst plate armor I have ever seen in an MMO. It's like it was modeled by someone who never saw knight armor in his/her life. Tinfoil armor that doesn't follow its concept art design choices...

    Vestiges of Steel Bloom horribly executed as 3D model too. On top of looking cheesy AF.


    Same for Stillsoul and Pale Ward of the Custodians set.

    Titanbark armor looks sick af, but then you look at that mouth opening on helmet and....
    Yeah. It looks like something...




    Thank God, armor got improved over time.



  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Laetitian wrote: »
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    1. Ashes not yet at the current industry standards in options and graphics.
    2. My wife thinks the style of the Ashes avatar from to their clothing options. No enjoyable style. She says there all to boyish. Get a girl on the team.

    character creator wise yes i agree we waiting for improvements in that regard.

    I mean...
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    those dresses dont look boyish to me tho

    Problem is that none of that is ingame shots, they are mockups or concept art. What we see in these pictures are about what we want. We have also been promised BDO quality char creator. The one we were shown in the showcase was also not real, as it was miles better then what we see now. I know they are rolling back of some things to launch faster, this cant be one of them.
    "I know they are rolling back of some things to launch faster, this cant be one of them."
    ????
    Performance optimisation?
    Fewer vectors for bug troubleshooting?

    What are you talking about? Of course rolling out things faster is EXACTLY the reason the character creator is restricted. Where exactly do you think the features missing from the original "fake" character creator went? Do you think they hand-animated those slider settings in all the previous videos just so they could trick you into caring about their game, before the virtue signal police came in and took away all the things that appealed to you aesthetically? I need to understand what's happening in your brain.

    There is no official claw back list just things that have been randomly mentioned in streams and interviews. As for the character creator, go back to the video of the OG character creator is way better then what we see now. It looked miles better. We have not seen anything since then that shows anything else. So IS has a char creator under wraps or that was just a tech demo.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »

    If one side of a discussion is consistently louder, over multiple platforms, for many years, they are probably not a minority.

    If they are indeed a minority, they clearly care more about the discussion than the majority.

    Oh so the far larger amount of people in the world (so majority) who dont make videos on yt or stream now must have to? Or even care at all going around to "argue" against low iq (or actually below negative
    so nonexistent) individuals? A discussion the minority themselves created to begin with?
    If these people are indeed low IQ as they sound, it is worth pointing out to you that people with your view on this topic are losing to them, and will continue to lose to them until you do what is needed.

    Keep in mind here, I am not necessarily against what it is you want (I generally consider more options for players to always be better in an MMORPG), I'm just pointing out for you two things - the first is that it is not something you can blame on game developers, and the second is that you need to shift an entire discourse in order to see what you want, not just convince one game developer.
    Noaani wrote: »

    If there are indeed a silent majority that want this changed, they need to start being less silent - and I am not talking about on an individual game forum.

    They need to shift the whole discourse.

    If they can't or won't do this, expect every game developers to generally adhere to the discourse happening in their primary target market.

    Yes the one who already existed far prior to content creators being a thing ye that one.
    'Want this Changed'? I mean we are not the ones really in here asking (or should i say demanding...) for changes tho as one can notice... or should be obvious, because maybe we are somewhat fine with what there is (we provide suggestions/ideas thats it).
    And yes maybe people should be less silent but again what i mention above ^ why bother (we do be wasting our time and braincells).

    And going back 'one side of a discussion is consistently louder' well there, you already said it all, they just love being louder (must be due to desperation).
    Also the fatigue over big content creators (their content/behavior/ideologies) been considerably increasing and noticeable...

    A good number of the gamers that were around before content creators became an influencing force are not in fact on your specific side in this matter. Some are, but some aren't. The notion that content creators came along and everyone before that kept their opinions as they were, and only new people had these new opinions should sound obviously flawed to you.

    As to you wanting a change, that is exactly what you are asking for. Those people you claim have a low IQ asked for a change a decage ago, and they got it. You are now asking for that to be reverted, which is indeed another change.

    Inre gard to them being louder, it could indeed be due to depression, but it could also be due to them having stronger conviction on this matter than the people that are quieter. All we know for sure is which side is louder - and they are significantly louder.

    My main point to you being, as I said above in this post and in previous posts, don't expect any Western game developer to not listen to the loudest voice in matters such as this. It is not their fault, it is not Intrepids fault. They are simply existing within the society that we have built, and in that society, the potential backlash for not listening to that loudest voice on these kinds of matters can be severe.
  • KallyshaKallysha Member
    edited August 31
    Noaani wrote: »
    If these people are indeed low IQ as they sound, it is worth pointing out to you that people with your view on this topic are losing to them, and will continue to lose to them until you do what is needed.

    Keep in mind here, I am not necessarily against what it is you want (I generally consider more options for players to always be better in an MMORPG), I'm just pointing out for you two things - the first is that it is not something you can blame on game developers, and the second is that you need to shift an entire discourse in order to see what you want, not just convince one game developer.

    You even need to wonder/ponder? Are we? I feel you didnt read what i did write at all or clearly have problems processing it... Do i need to write everything again?
    Blaming game developers? Me? I assume you are talking about the rest of the people in here not particularly me, since i didnt blame nobody... '...need to shift an entire discourse in order to see what you want' Huh? Im not the one constantly complaining in here and any other threads related to such topic, demanding a change (as we see they want an asian mmo instead) since im somewhat fine with what intrepid is offering... [You still make no sense]
    Noaani wrote: »

    A good number of the gamers that were around before content creators became an influencing force are not in fact on your specific side in this matter. Some are, but some aren't. The notion that content creators came along and everyone before that kept their opinions as they were, and only new people had these new opinions should sound obviously flawed to you.

    As to you wanting a change, that is exactly what you are asking for. Those people you claim have a low IQ asked for a change a decage ago, and they got it. You are now asking for that to be reverted, which is indeed another change.

    Inre gard to them being louder, it could indeed be due to depression, but it could also be due to them having stronger conviction on this matter than the people that are quieter. All we know for sure is which side is louder - and they are significantly louder.

    My main point to you being, as I said above in this post and in previous posts, don't expect any Western game developer to not listen to the loudest voice in matters such as this. It is not their fault, it is not Intrepids fault. They are simply existing within the society that we have built, and in that society, the potential backlash for not listening to that loudest voice on these kinds of matters can be severe.

    I didnt really claim all of them to be to begin with tho, i only called out the minority that likes to think they are a majority. '... and only new people had these new opinions'??

    'As to you wanting a change.'???? WHAT? You absolutely make no sense at all with that entire sentence. (You keep trying to distord what i say for some reason...)

    '...backlash for not listening to that loudest voice on these kinds of matters can be severe.' Yeah... it tends to go with the wind, games still sell out pretty well and being successful, and those will still cry no matter what to the next game on horizon, been a pattern. Plus there is indeed evidences of games (even entire franchises) actually getting ruined by developers listening to those who like to be loudest, indeed factual.
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
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